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[abelard]

both parties dumping out the oppo folder today...

Press Releases – The Labour Party

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Ashworth: Civil Service Machine Will Have to Move Quickly to Safeguard National Security from Corbyn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FIrFGFAzQI&feature=emb_title Guido has obtained an extraordinary recording of Jonathan Ashworth, the serving Shadow

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[davek]

hahaha no dave...the far right is the far right (i.e. actual control-freakery fascism...not the fantasy fascism online people shout about).

that's been a big problem in modern debate is anyone not far left is seen as far right (and vice-versa). you're doing the same thing you're accusing others of doing.

Corbyn is pretty far on the left, to be fair.

Honestly we'd be better off ditching these Left 'n Right labels. it muddies the waters to shyte.

Unbelievably naive.

The centre ground is exactly where the corporate controlled media and their hired prize fighters of the political commentariat tell you it is.

The type of policies Corbyn is advocating now would, in my youth, have been seen as to the right of Old Labour. Everything shifts over time, and its the balance in class forces which determines where the 'centre-ground' is drawn.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

People say stuff, people respond. It's a forum lol

what do you want to discuss?

Maybe read the last 100 pages of the EU thread and come back

 

[dholliday]

Unbelievably naive.

The centre ground is exactly where the corporate controlled media and their hired prize fighters of the political commentariat tell you it is.

The type of policies Corbyn is advocating now would, in my youth, have been seen as to the right of Old Labour. Everything shifts over time, and its the balance in class forces which determines where the 'centre-ground' is drawn.

what...investing in the NHS, free telecommunications for all and anti-war policies would've been seen as to the Right of old Labour?

Which Corbyn-policies specifically would be seen as rightwing 30 years ago?

 

[dholliday]

Maybe read the last 100 pages of the EU thread and come back

i appear to rest my case regarding Brexit. as this is the Brexit Election, if the Tories win the GE then maybe some folk on here will better understand why.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

i appear to rest my case regarding Brexit. as this is the Brexit Election, if the Tories win the GE then maybe some folk on here will better understand why.

Huh?

 

[dholliday]

Huh?

or maybe not x

 

[BlueToff]

I won't vote Tory - because I think this bunch are horrid.

I won't be voting Labour, because I don't trust them and their grand schemes don't stand up when coming under the slightest bit of scrutiny. Corbyn and this bunch need to go.

I won't vote Lib Dem - because they've backtracked on the only policy they had, like they always backtrack.

I don't know who what leaves me with. Not gonna vote BP, or Greens. I'll just waste my vote I guess, throw it for the Yorkshire Party or something.

The main parties are all crap.

 

[abelard]

I won't vote Tory - because I think this bunch are horrid.

I won't be voting Labour, because I don't trust them and their grand schemes don't stand up when coming under the slightest bit of scrutiny. Corbyn and this bunch need to go.

I won't vote Lib Dem - because they've backtracked on the only policy they had, like they always backtrack.

I don't know who what leaves me with. Not gonna vote BP, or Greens. I'll just waste my vote I guess, throw it for the Yorkshire Party or something.

The main parties are all crap.

So in other words, you're voting Tory

 

[BlueToff]

So in other words, you're voting Tory

No. But that's the Labour 'supporting' approach this time around.

Us or them, nothing else. Treating it like a footy game. It's nonsense.

My vote has no impact. My seat is a pretty safe Labour one. And I can't put my vote behind a party I don't believe in.

 

[abelard]

Us or them, nothing else. Treating it like a footy game. It's nonsense.

Welcome to First Past the Post.

No Party would behave the way they do in a different system.

 

[davek]

what...investing in the NHS, free telecommunications for all and anti-war policies would've been seen as to the Right of old Labour?

Which Corbyn-policies specifically would be seen as rightwing 30 years ago?

Read and learn.

How does draft manifesto compare with Labour's 1983 one?

How does Labour's draft general election manifesto compare with the plans it set out in 1983?

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[dholliday]

No. But that's the Labour 'supporting' approach this time around.

Us or them, nothing else. Treating it like a footy game. It's nonsense.

My vote has no impact. My seat is a pretty safe Labour one. And I can't put my vote behind a party I don't believe in.

I understand the sentiment, but there must be a Party that aligns with some of your own core principles? Even if they mis-align with others. For me personally I really rate some of Corbyn's core beliefs highly (anti-war etc), so that they weigh more than a lot of the guff that comes out his Party.

 

[davek]

I won't vote Tory - because I think this bunch are horrid.

I won't be voting Labour, because I don't trust them and their grand schemes don't stand up when coming under the slightest bit of scrutiny. Corbyn and this bunch need to go.

I won't vote Lib Dem - because they've backtracked on the only policy they had, like they always backtrack.
I don't know who what leaves me with. Not gonna vote BP, or Greens. I'll just waste my vote I guess, throw it for the Yorkshire Party or something.

The main parties are all crap.

It leaves you wanting the staus quo of underfunded hospitals, a low wage economy and pandering to a phobia of immigrants. THAT is where it leaves you.

Dont parade your indecision as 'sophisticated' because it's not - it's reactionary.

 

[dholliday]

Welcome to First Past the Post.

No Party would behave the way they do in a different system.

We can only play the game given to us. We can vote for a party willing to change that game. Is there one?