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[Eggs]

... Momentum didn’t exist in 2010, Eggs.

Also how on earth does the electorate relate to David in a way that they wouldn’t to Ed? They are both Oxford-educated sons of a left wing academic who spent years as political advisors, then both got safe seats, then both became ministers.

...I think David was a far superior candidate, the Union vote got Ed elected.

 

[dholliday]

...oh, I’m awake, Dave. You give the electorate somebody they can relate to, somebody they like. Sure, the media is an issue but Labour continue to give them ammunition to feast upon. Ed Milliband was a dreadful choice when his brother was available, but that’s symptomatic of Momentum Labour.

David M was never gonna win an election. People were done with New Labour, plus he has the personality of a plank of wood.

 

[davek]

...I think David was a far superior candidate, the Union vote got Ed elected.

It;s not about personalities, it's about policies. If you hold beliefs to the left of the so called 'centre' (in reality the far right) then you will be slaughtered. And if Milibnand (David) had been left alone by the media and not demonised, it would have been on the basis that he continued to propund and advocate Bliarite policies.

This isn't difficult to understand mate. It really isn't.

 

[tsubaki]

...I think David was a far superior candidate, the Union vote got Ed elected.

With respect, a lot of that belief is solely down to him not winning and therefore never being tested - if Eden hadn’t taken over from Churchill in the late 1950s, he’d probably be seen as the greatest PM we never had too.

 

[dholliday]

It;s not about personalities, it's about policies. If you hold beliefs to the left of the so called 'centre' (in reality the far right) then you will be slaughtered. And if Milibnand (David) had been left alone by the media and not demonised, it would have been on the basis that he continued to propund and advocate Bliarite policies.

This isn't difficult to understand mate. It really isn't.

hahaha no dave...the far right is the far right (i.e. actual control-freakery fascism...not the fantasy fascism online people shout about).

that's been a big problem in modern debate is anyone not far left is seen as far right (and vice-versa). you're doing the same thing you're accusing others of doing.

Corbyn is pretty far on the left, to be fair.

Honestly we'd be better off ditching these Left 'n Right labels. it muddies the waters to shyte.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Thousands of patients die waiting for beds in hospitals – study

Doctors’ report finds 5,449 deaths since 2016 followed delayed admission to A&E

www.theguardian.com

"They concluded that the deaths are entirely and solely caused by the length of wait and not by the patient’s condition."

But so long as it hasn't affected me personally, it must be that fake news again

My Dad is waiting on an operation to remove a tumour, he was booked in two weeks ago and he spent 2 days in Hospital waiting and was then sent home saying they wouldn't be able to do the Op for another two week, he's been waiting for an Op for nearly 2 months.

I know for absolute certain the NHS was in a better state right across the service when Labour was in power the 13 years before 2010.

 

[summerisle]

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We go back to social media thing, and how journalists spread this stupid bot like behavior using their incredible reach, an apology like this is like spitting into the atlantic ocean.

The Daily Telegraph can't even get the right hospital.

 

[dholliday]

I know for absolute certain the NHS was in a better state right across the service when Labour was in power the 13 years before 2010.

best wishes to your dad, mate.

The UK population was 61m in 2008. Now it's almost 68m. Earlier in the thread i linked a serious paper analysing why waiting times have increased (people on average reporting more ailments etc).

At the very least, 7 million more people in only a decade will put a massive strain on the NHS, even tho' it was protected from austerity measures, it also wasn't invested in.

Hopefully post-Brexit will see some solid investment asap (or vote Labour in who'll get on it right away).

 

[tsubaki]

The Daily Telegraph can't even get the right hospital.

The bot campaign that accompanied the “rebuttal” of that photo is something to behold:

 

[larrygobfiend]

best wishes to your dad, mate.

The UK population was 61m in 2008. Now it's almost 68m. Earlier in the thread i linked a serious paper analysing why waiting times have increased (people on average reporting more ailments etc).

At the very least, 7 million more people in only a decade will put a massive strain on the NHS, even tho' it was protected from austerity measures, it also wasn't invested in.

Hopefully post-Brexit will see some solid investment asap (or vote Labour in who'll get on it right away).

Christ mate, It's like you've missed out on 6 months of activity and you're now trying to catch up 2 days before the election. You're kinda derailing everything in the thread.

 

[dholliday]

You kinda have a different opinion to some blues in this thread.

fixed

 

[Jebus_lives]

No wonder violent crimes up, I must get assaulted 1000 times I go the match and accidentally get touched by another person

This was reported specifically to divert attention from a 4 year old boy with suspected pneumonia lying on a floor in a hospital in Leeds and the PM having a car crash in an interview when being asked to find the smallest amount of compassion about it.

 

[larrygobfiend]

fixed

No mate. It's really close to the election and you're digging up stuff that's been discussed over and over and over again. Most of what you're saying belongs in the EU thread.

 

[abelard]

My Dad is waiting on an operation to remove a tumour, he was booked in two weeks ago and he spent 2 days in Hospital waiting and was then sent home saying they wouldn't be able to do the Op for another two week, he's been waiting for an Op for nearly 2 months.

I know for absolute certain the NHS was in a better state right across the service when Labour was in power the 13 years before 2010.

Yes, the growing population, ageing population, and increased pressure on the NHS due to social care cuts and general austerity have all contributed to the current state of the system. Stupefyingly counterproductive ideologue-driven PFI scams aren't helping, either.

Though the Tories/Lib Dems have not cut funding in absolute terms, they have considerably reduced the amount by which funding grows each year - and given that the population is growing, ageing, and less healthy thanks to austerity, this amounts to an effective cut in real terms.

The government (and some posters here) understand perfectly well that cutting the rate of growth in these conditions amounts to a de facto overall cut, but they hide behind the fiction of the 'absolute' figures in order to avoid taking responsibility for their poor policy decisions and worse ideology.

 

[dholliday]

No mate. It's really close to the election and you're digging up stuff that's been discussed over and over and over again. Most of what you're saying belongs in the EU thread.

People say stuff, people respond. It's a forum lol

what do you want to discuss?