Current Affairs The General Election

[davek]

...absolutely, the Party needs to be smart and select somebody who doesn’t attract those labels. It’s not going to happen, though, when the membership are the sole selectors of the leader. It’ll be an ex-trade union official who speaks like a shop steward.

sadly, becoming electable is partly game and Labour need to learn how to play it.

I see what you mean. Yes, let's choose another Brown or Milibnad who did so well at the ballot box.

It doesn't matter who Labour elect as leader, the media will slaughter them. Wake up FFS.

 

[abelard]

I've bolded the fundamental problem with your argument. Called into question by whom exactly? You merely link an Intercept journalist (note: not an economist even) who specialises in writing hitpieces against rightwing/conservative politics.

So that's your guy. We're gonna need more than that. We need a convincing source to tell us EU-trade with UK will be severely hamstrung post-Brexit (remember, Boris has got a deal now).

With a deal in place where EU-trade continues as it were, plus deals are done with non-EU states, you could just as theoritically be looking at an economic boon for the UK. As I said before, we can't and shouldn't include current export/import figures when discussing net-contributions to the EU if we are not prepared to include future export/import figures. That would be extremely biased and unprofessional abuse of numbers, which any serious economist would balk at. You don't get to pick and choose which numbers best suit your argument, you have to look at the whole picture.

And if £20 billion annually isn't a lot of money (it is, actually) then why so much fuss over the 350m-per-week bus? That's roughly the same figure, yet it was villified by the anti-Brexit commentariat as being grossly inflated (when it wasn't).

This saving can indeed be used to improve the NHS should the government choose to divert the funds so.

Called into question by the fact that the legal basis for all of UK/EU trade will no longer exist (ie the Customs Union), and that what follows will by definition be on worse terms than before, so there is virtually zero possibility of maintaining the trade volume never mind expansion after the Customs Union is cast aside.

You don't seem to have followed why the link is relevant; it does not relate to UK/EU trade, but to the inevitably unfavourable terms of a future UK/EU relationship, which will also be exceedingly unlikely to make up what is lost by leaving the Customs Union.

It may also not be from a publication which aligns with your preferred ideological view of the universe, but it nonetheless requires having been actually read before it can be assessed.

Anyhow, @Bruce Wayne is right... there is nothing to say about Brexit that has not already been said at least 1000 times.

 

[dholliday]

It's the same here as far as limited companies are concerned, they only pay Corporation Tax as far as I know and yes, Corporation Tax is the only profit related tax they have. I think they used to have a separate Capital Gains Tax for profits on sales of any assets, but this has been rolled into Corporation Tax also.

cheers dave...this was all a roundabout way to confirm @OnlyBlueWillDo 's argument that UK corporations pay less tax than European ones.

And if those savings only go to fat-cat wallets, then it's a good argument to support Jeremy's ideas.

 

[zzr45]

As you should be. Politics is a filthy game.

Not just politics, anything on twitter. How many ITKs pollute it?

 

[dholliday]

I see what you mean. Yes, let's choose another Brown or Milibnad who did so well at the ballot box.

It doesn't matter who Labour elect as leader, the media will slaughter them. Wake up FFS.

in the case of Corbyn, even supposed liberal media slaughter them (Guardian etc).

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Not just politics, anything on twitter. How many ITKs pollute it?

No way, Tories lying. I CANT BELIEVE IT.

 

[Charro]

I see what you mean. Yes, let's choose another Brown or Milibnad who did so well at the ballot box.

It doesn't matter who Labour elect as leader, the media will slaughter them. Wake up FFS.

Don’t get this obsession with calling anyone from the left a shop steward, then calling for labour to go back to the neo liberal days.

Neo liberal globalisation has been rejected by society worldwide. Just look at France for example.

Labour need somebody who isn’t as radical as Jeremy Corbyn but still holds left wing values at heart.

Not another centrist who stands for nothing and represents no one.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Not just politics, anything on twitter. How many ITKs pollute it?

You are absoloutely spot on.

 

[zzr45]

No way, Tories lying. I CANT BELIEVE IT.

No wonder violent crimes up, I must get assaulted 1000 times I go the match and accidentally get touched by another person

 

[davek]

in the case of Corbyn, even supposed liberal media slaughter them (Guardian etc).

...and that'll happen to even a figure to the right of him taking over. Miliband even got stick on "anti-semitism"...a Jew himself.

It's over for pandering to the media. The LP has to be true to itself as a party set up to fight the interests of labour against capital.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

No wonder violent crimes up, I must get assaulted 1000 times I go the match and accidentally get touched by another person

We go back to social media thing, and how journalists spread this stupid bot like behavior using their incredible reach, an apology like this is like spitting into the atlantic ocean.

 

[Eggs]

I see what you mean. Yes, let's choose another Brown or Milibnad who did so well at the ballot box.

It doesn't matter who Labour elect as leader, the media will slaughter them. Wake up FFS.

...oh, I’m awake, Dave. You give the electorate somebody they can relate to, somebody they like. Sure, the media is an issue but Labour continue to give them ammunition to feast upon. Ed Milliband was a dreadful choice when his brother was available, but that’s symptomatic of Momentum Labour.

 

[dholliday]

Called into question by the fact that the legal basis for all of UK/EU trade will no longer exist (ie the Customs Union), and that what follows will by definition be on worse terms than before, so there is virtually zero possibility of maintaining the trade volume never mind expansion after the Customs Union is cast aside.

You don't seem to have followed why the link is relevant; it does not relate to UK/EU trade, but to the inevitably unfavourable terms of a future UK/EU relationship, which will also be exceedingly unlikely to make up what is lost by leaving the Customs Union.

It may also not be from a publication which aligns with your preferred ideological view of the universe, but it nonetheless requires having been actually read before it can be assessed.

Anyhow, @Bruce Wayne is right... there is nothing to say about Brexit that has not already been said at least 1000 times.

says who? "The fact" ...? Where can I find this 'fact' ?

You keep talking about the "inevitability" of Brexit being bad, yet provide no serious source for this.

And for the record I enjoy The Intercept, am registered there and agree with quite a bit I read. Brexit is a bit of a blind spot, tho'.

Politico, another left-leaning paper, has a balanced analysis of the deal. I see no hint there of this 'inevitability'...

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-brexit-deal-explained-2/

 

[tsubaki]

...oh, I’m awake, Dave. You give the electorate somebody they can relate to, somebody they like. Sure, the media is an issue but Labour continue to give them ammunition to feast upon. Ed Milliband was a dreadful choice when his brother was available, but that’s symptomatic of Momentum Labour.

... Momentum didn’t exist in 2010, Eggs.

Also how on earth does the electorate relate to David in a way that they wouldn’t to Ed? They are both Oxford-educated sons of a left wing academic who spent years as political advisors, then both got safe seats, then both became ministers.

 

[davek]

...oh, I’m awake, Dave. You give the electorate somebody they can relate to, somebody they like. Sure, the media is an issue but Labour continue to give them ammunition to feast upon. Ed Milliband was a dreadful choice when his brother was available, but that’s symptomatic of Momentum Labour.

The NHS is underfunded, falling apart and killing people through negligence on an industrial scale. But you think the LP prioritising that is not handing people something 'they can relate to'?

It's over for democracy and arguing for a better society through the media.

As said. Wake up.