Current Affairs The General Election

[abelard]

Mate, this may be the one of the most important pieces of life advice you will ever hear: Don't put your hopes and dreams in the hands of anyone else. Make your own plans. If you haven't got your own plan, then you are a part of someone else's plan.. and guess what they've got planned for you? yep, sweet f.a..

Collective solutions to invidivual problems never work. As an individual you have it in your power to make your own life better. If you want a better job you can choose the books you read, the skills you learn and the extra classes you take. The goverment won't do it for you. Government won't solve student debt.. but YOU can solve your own student debt by choosing to repay it. Government can't solve your health problem, but YOU can solve your health problems if you take seriously youe diet and exercise.

Whoever wins this election...Labour, Tory or anyone else... it will make about 0.01% difference to how your life actually plays out, compared to the 99.9% that is directly within your own ability to influence.

Cheers mate, very wise, for an 18 year old who has read Ayn Rand and literally nothing else.

After spending my teenage years washing dishes, I used to work in finance before I left to get my Ivy League PhD.

But until your courageous intervention here, it had never even occurred to me to apply myself.

Government can't solve your health problem, but YOU can solve your health problems if you take seriously youe diet and exercise.

I will pass on this profound and undoubtedly experienced wisdom from beyond the grave to my mother, who died of a brain tumour when I was fourteen, but who lived longer than she had any right to or means for us to afford thanks to Canadian government health care.

 

[davek]

Pete the financial crash left the country without any Money - Labour had to bail the banks out, but I agree the borrowing plans of McDonnell are way OTT - Austerity was a dogma ideology that Osborne thrived on, he and Cameron have a lot to answer for ......they should take their pensions off them - also how about the Waspi Men they lost out after paying NI too and having their pensions put back a year .....Labours position on Brexit has been a disaster at first Corbyn was sitting on the fence now the fence has broken and is sliding up his arsp ....
That's what will gift the election if it happpens to the Tories ......plus the Brexit party giving way .......I have no one to vote for, but until Labour get back to the centre ground Corbyn and Momentum have to go......

The LP in the "centre" got murdered in two elections, Corbyn arrested and rolled back the scale of defeats.

The Brexit issue is an anomoly. The left's programme of a massive stimulus to the economy and to get some social structure back into the country is understood as the right thing to do and would have gotten a majority this time around (even the scumbag Tories recognise the mood is for stimulus...which they promise but WONT deliver on).

The winds of change are against market-worshipping parties of neo-liberalism. That's what the wave of populist leaders have rode through on in the last decade. It's no different here. Brexit has been the difference in this election, it will never be that again...apart from returning to bite the Tories when this goes tits up...which Brexit WILL. Brexit eventually will be the Tories Iraq War.

 

[Joey66]

The LP in the "centre" got murdered in two elections, Corbyn arrested and rolled back the scale of defeats.

The Brexit issue is an anomoly. The left's programme of a massive stimulus to the economy and to get some social structure back into the country is understood as the right thing to do and would have gotten a majority this time around (even the scumbag Tories recognise the mood is for stimulus...which they promise but WONT deliver on).

The winds of change are against market-worshipping parties of neo-liberalism. That's what the wave of populiat leaders have rode through on in the last decade. It's no different here. Brexit has been the difference in this election, it will never be taht again...apart from returning to bite the Tories when this goes tits up...which Brexit WILL. Brexit eventually will be the Tories Iraq War.

Davek how about the Waspi men if Corbyn did get in and fund the Waspi women rightly imo the men would go to court and ask for their year they lost ... or about to lose - Brexit is not an anomaly its the massive vote that was denied and the actions of the HOC have not helped Labour.... and another proposed 2nd referendum remaining neutral is absurd plus the cost of it ...... If Labour had stated they would get a better leave deal, and leave they would be ahead now.....

 

[davek]

Davek how about the Waspi men if Corbyn did get in and fund the Waspi women rightly imo the men would go to court and ask for their year they lost ... or about to lose - Brexit is not an anomaly its the massive vote that was denied and the actions of the HOC have not helped Labour.... and another proposed 2nd referendum remaining neutral is absurd plus the cost of it ...... If Labour had stated they would get a better leave deal, and leave they would be ahead now.....

I've argued for respecting the referendum till I'm blue in the face. But you lay that at Corbyn's door (looking to retreat from it), when it was the PLP who demanded that the party seek a second referendum or they'd revolt and splinter the party.

Thankfully, one of the happy by-products of losing seast wioll be that the LP will be cleansed of thise people and socialists will be addopted in those constituencies.

 

[catcherintherye]

I won't be paying much attention on polls again till Sunday, so that interview can be assessed. Unless there's a pretty solid narrowing across the board by the weekend then I think labour are in big trouble.

Most of their votes last time came in the last week, day, hour and even in the polling booth.

Given there is an approximate 6% weighting against 2017 (potentially as high as 8%) I would say if Labour stabilise at around 7% as they are showing now, the election is bang alive going into the last week.

If Labour go into the final week single figures behind, it is very open.

 

[Milkman]

Mate, this may be the one of the most important pieces of life advice you will ever hear: Don't put your hopes and dreams in the hands of anyone else. Make your own plans. If you haven't got your own plan, then you are a part of someone else's plan.. and guess what they've got planned for you? yep, sweet f.a..

Collective solutions to invidivual problems never work. As an individual you have it in your power to make your own life better. If you want a better job you can choose the books you read, the skills you learn and the extra classes you take. The goverment won't do it for you. Government won't solve student debt.. but YOU can solve your own student debt by choosing to repay it. Government can't solve your health problem, but YOU can solve your health problems if you take seriously youe diet and exercise.

Whoever wins this election...Labour, Tory or anyone else... it will make about 0.01% difference to how your life actually plays out, compared to the 99.9% that is directly within your own ability to influence.

Put down that copy of Atlas Shrugged mate and take a walk around outside for a bit.

 

[catcherintherye]

Well, that's the thing - they're not. It's up to leadership and selling a vision to convince people to change their minds. It's the whole point of an election.

Corbyn half-arsed campaigning for remain because he doesn't believe in it. He's half-arsed campaigning for a second referendum, because he doesn't believe in it. He half-arsed the implementation of the IHRA definition of anti-semitism, because he doesn't believe in it. For such a principled man, he sure does half arse a lot of things he doesn't believe in.

If the Labour leader is incapable of getting people to vote Labour, he's a bad Labour leader. No ifs or buts - it's that simple.

That's fair enough, but given this far his record is getting record number to vote for Labour, you'd be decent enough to conclude hes a very good leader.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Even though I'm onboard with your overall message the high street issue would have been the same if Labour were in charge. People shop differently now, it's like saying the Tories have diminished the transatlantic airship business.

Easily changed in how rates are worked out... Theses vast online warehouse pay very little compared to small high street shop.

Throw in the charade yesterday with Corbyn trying to claim that paying more for drugs is akin to the NHS being privatised and you can kinda see why the NHS lurches from apparent crisis to crisis as it's become this giant political football kicked around by people whose sole purpose is to win votes rather than deliver the best service to society.

It proves the NHS is on the table, which has been denied!? And unless im missing something from those from remain, the danger was that America would take advantage of UK, apparently not, So Brexit is now good?

Also, paying more for medications will have implications on other services, and as some are having a problem with what happens when you suddenly have to start paying more, you have reduce your spending elsewhere or bring more money in, it appears to be rocket science.

Indeed, its good to see Bashful Brexiteers and Torys outed, never judge anyone by their cover!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It proves the NHS is on the table, which has been denied!? And unless im missing something from those from remain, the danger was that America would take advantage of UK, apparently not, So Brexit is now good?

Also, paying more for medications will have implications on other services, and as some are having a problem with what happens when you suddenly have to start paying more, you have reduce your spending elsewhere or bring more money in, it appears to be rocket science.

Indeed, its good to see Bashful Brexiteers and Torys outed, never judge anyone by their cover!

I've said repeatedly, both in discussions around this stunt yesterday and when it was raised at the start of the campaign itself, that paying more for medicines is a bad thing for the NHS. I'm not sure how many more times I can say it. It's bad in the same way that paying more for MRI Scanners or staff uniforms or bandages or any of the multitude of other things that the private sector provides to the NHS. If the price of any of those things went up it wouldn't be the NHS being 'sold off' or 'privatised' either.

At the risk of boring people, I've also said numerous times in the EU thread that Britain acting alone in trade deals with the US won't be in anywhere near as strong a position as when acting as part of the EU. That's plainly obvious. Whether this will mean that the medical lobby in the US manage to get favourable terms for their wares, I really have no idea. You would hope not, but it is undoubtedly a risk. What should surely also be obvious is that trade negotiations are often conducted along political lines, and the medical lobby in America are the biggest single donor to political parties in the country, so it's perhaps obvious why politicians there tend to do their bidding. Do the Tories have a similar 'responsibility' to the NHS in terms of cold, hard votes?

Lots of I don't knows I'm afraid, but what I do know is that it's quite possible to think that whatever trade deal the Tories do with America can be bad for Britain and bad for the NHS without taking the logical leap into assuming it's going to be privatised, which is what Corbyn appears to be doing.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Easily changed in how rates are worked out... Theses vast online warehouse pay very

Things can be tweaked of course but the overheads to run shops in towns are greater than online companies and their massive buying power to then sell goods cheaper. As people will still go after the best price when buying stuff it just stands to reason less will be bought in traditional shops.

The high street has to evolve into more services based businesses, child play zones, activity centres (indoor rock climbing etc.) along with the eateries and (ugh) more coffee shops. At some point when the rents have plummeted and enough time has passed and actual shopping seems novel again it might change but it won't be in this coming decade.

 

[davek]

Underhanded but smart.

Not if the empty chair him, as they should/might do.

 

[davek]

The new polls are probably correct. The Tories will mop up the marginals because of Brexit.

The next decade will be a painful one.

Those new polls include those showing the gap narrowing.

If you refer to the "MRB" (which no one knew of this time yesterday) even its methodologist underlines that the 100,000 sample, though significant, they expect it will call at least 30 constituencies wrong. Its sampling is seen as important because it drills down into each individual constituency, but that, as they concede, spreads the numbers they sample with very thinly: approximately 153 per constituency (on average, constituencies in England are 72,000).

Is it better to have their judgement going for you at this stage? Yes. Does it prove anything conclusive? No. It's been used before once. That's it.

 

[Khalekan]

Shameless.

Utterly shameless.

The neutered BBC not even bothering to hide their bias anymore.

Set the rottweiler on Corbyn.

But have Johnson interviewed by his pet poodle.

 

[Milkman]

Shameless.

Utterly shameless.

The neutered BBC not even bothering to hide their bias anymore.

Set the rottweiler on Corbyn.

But have Johnson interviewed by his pet poodle.

Tell me this isn't real. Please.

 

[Milkman]

Tell me this isn't real. Please.

It's not.

Yet.