I won't be paying much attention on polls again till Sunday, so that interview can be assessed. Unless there's a pretty solid narrowing across the board by the weekend then I think labour are in big trouble.
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I won't be paying much attention on polls again till Sunday, so that interview can be assessed. Unless there's a pretty solid narrowing across the board by the weekend then I think labour are in big trouble.
The mental gymnastics that must be going on in your head to reach the conclusion that Corbyn and Momentum losing two elections isn't because of Corbyn and Momentum is staggering to me.
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Johnson has a 40% Brexit vote that would not be budging regardless of who the Labour leader is. When I hear people say Labour should be wiping the floor with the Tories, it´s clear they either don´t understand the current state of UK politics or they do and they´re spreading falsehoods.
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Don't believe he will and if he does I will enjoy Swinson and her ilk have head wobble waving goodbye to the EU. As for another 5 years of Tory rule people had a clear choice and very likely family friends even themselves will suffer unnecessarily, so be it.
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That’s probably because that’s not what is in my head, Tubey.
If Labour lose this it will because of mistakes made by the leadership - not dealing with known problems like AS, not developing a national security policy, not sorting out proper local candidates and not preparing the ground properly for the economic policies they’ve presented.
One of the biggest mistakes though is thinking that the centre and the internal opposition would shut up if only they were given what they said they all wanted, ie: a second referendum.
Corbyn was bounced into it and got very little in return, and from that polling it appears that there are losses coming in the same sort of seats that have been signalling for years and years that they aren’t happy being taken for granted (as Scottish Labour seats did). Enough Labour voters seem to think that the second referendum is a betrayal of what they want.
He has to focus on them and their concerns now or that poll will come true.
The weird thing is that Labour's quickest way back into power could be by getting trounced this time round. If they continue down same path they might be out of power for another 3 or 4 terms. Who knows, maybe longer.
Yes, it's not Corbyn's fault that people won't vote for him; it's the peoples fault that they won't vote for Corbyn.
Flawless logic.
Agree with a lot of that. My gut feeling is that lots of people in lots of areas still are naturally drawn to labour and want to vote labour. But not this labour party and not this leader.
Exactly. It's such an odd belief that everyone should share the same views as them, have the same opinions and anything that differs from that view is the enemy.
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Credit where it´s due, the Tories created the mess that is Brexit and have weaponised it perfectly so they are on the cusp of winning an election. Whoever the Labour leader was would have had this challenge and I don´t think there was any solution.
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But where are the votes coming from when 40% of the population are set on voting for the Tories regardless of what the opposition has to offer?
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As a man of the cloth I'm not one to get involved in political debate, but your last paragraph resonated with me as a description of this thread (and sadly, society in general).
So sad. God bless you all.
Corinthians 13:4-8
Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.
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The party isn´t changing course now. If the worst happens on December 12th, there will be a new leader without the baggage Corbyn has but with a similar socialist offering.
Well, that's the thing - they're not. It's up to leadership and selling a vision to convince people to change their minds. It's the whole point of an election.
Corbyn half-arsed campaigning for remain because he doesn't believe in it. He's half-arsed campaigning for a second referendum, because he doesn't believe in it. He half-arsed the implementation of the IHRA definition of anti-semitism, because he doesn't believe in it. For such a principled man, he sure does half arse a lot of things he doesn't believe in.
If the Labour leader is incapable of getting people to vote Labour, he's a bad Labour leader. No ifs or buts - it's that simple.
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TBF I don’t think it is that tribal - they are Labour voters, but the party has repeatedly let them down and took them for granted over a long period of time, way before Corbyn.
Enough of them probably assume at the moment that even if they go Labour this time and there is a second referendum that results in Remain, the rest of the policies (that they probably quite like in the manifesto) will be found to be unworkable and won’t get the support from the people who were begging for a second referendum. There will be no change and they’ll all be told again how great it is to live in a globalised, flexible workplace sort of land where people will have loads of different types of jobs rather than the stability of one career.
I am not sure they are wrong about that either.
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