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[gonetomorrow]

I think the nature of democracy has changed dramatically in the last few years. So many people are so blind to the damage that has been done over the last 9 years and how anyone can trust Johnson after the lies and contradictions he comes out with is beyond me. Reality doesn't seem to matter anymore. It's Orwellian. I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel unfortunately.

People in Britain are just stupid I'm afraid. We don't know what's good for us.
If the Tories wreck the country over the next few years we only have ourselves to blame.

 

[Jebus_lives]

He didn't command a majority either. Just because 20 odd tories and the DUP fell out with Johnson didn't mean they would support a Corbyn Queens speech.

We needed an election and thankfully we've got it.

We needed compromise and a Government that don't view scrutiny as optional and treat Parliament not as an obstacle to their success but a partner in it.

 

[orchard]

People in Britain are just stupid I'm afraid. We don't know what's good for us.
As the Tories wreck the country over the next few years we only have ourselves to blame.

Not feeling the collective responsibility this end mate.

After thousand's of hours of debate, many scandals involving the front bench and beyond, the government will take a course predictable from the first few weeks after the referendum. Whether the voters next month have been duped by the press, acting from self-interest or just following some stoical pattern, they have very little in common with me and how I perceive citizenship and a society that I think ought to pursue excellence and not short-term self-fulfilment.

This election is extremely important and the Conservatives need to be defeated.

 

[tsubaki]

We needed compromise and a Government that don't view scrutiny as optional and treat Parliament not as an obstacle to their success but a partner in it.

We did, but the one party that actually offered a compromise was ignored by the others, who decided to root for their politics instead (be it a hard Brexit, Remain at all costs or Scottish independence).

 

[Jebus_lives]

We did, but the one party that actually offered a compromise was ignored by the others, who decided to root for their politics instead (be it a hard Brexit, Remain at all costs or Scottish independence).

Labour wouldn't compromise on Leadership though would they?

They offered a neutral position, but have not compromised on the thing that prevents others uniting around them.

 

[tsubaki]

Labour wouldn't compromise on Leadership though would they?

They offered a neutral position, but have not compromised on the thing that prevents others uniting around them.

No, they said that in the event of a VONC that the then government lost that Corbyn, as leader of the largest party, had to have first go at trying to form a government. That is entirely constitutional.

What they (the LD and “ex” Tories) wanted was to get him to rule out being a candidate for PM before they’d committed to actually to a VONC, never mind winning it.

This was especially witless because in the situation that existed then Corbyn would never have been able to form a government because of internal PLP opposition never mind the rest, so an alternate figure would have become PM. However then they’d have been left with no reason to vote LD or SNP and so no VONC was ever called.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

LOL @ the constant propaganda of a “landslide” for Boris.

 

[DanEFC92]

Haha good that. One of us, etc.

Lash the BBC in a big bloody skip.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I think the nature of democracy has changed dramatically in the last few years. So many people are so blind to the damage that has been done over the last 9 years and how anyone can trust Johnson after the lies and contradictions he comes out with is beyond me. Reality doesn't seem to matter anymore. It's Orwellian. I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel unfortunately.

Much longer than 9 years, and that's problem, the big pivotal change was when Thatcher came to power, essentially it's been the same politics ever since. Hence the anger and disillusionment. However, quite how any of those in Labour leave believe Johnson is the answer, is beyond my comprehension...

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Labour wouldn't compromise on Leadership though would they?

They offered a neutral position, but have not compromised on the thing that prevents others uniting around them.

Why would they, Labour have a very democratic process in electing their leader more so than any other, not my choice in the beginning, however, I myself respect the winning vote. Indeed, this dismissive nature of democracy is a worrying trend in some of the remain vote. It's something that's needs rectifying pretty bloody quickly as it undermines any legitimacy.

 

[Tubey]

Much longer than 9 years, and that's problem, the big pivotal change was when Thatcher came to power, essentially it's been the same politics ever since. Hence the anger and disillusionment. However, quite how any of those in Labour leave believe Johnson is the answer, is beyond my comprehension...

They don't think Johnson is the answer. The problem is they don't think Corbyn is either.

So if Johnson at the very least gets Brexit over the line, he's preferable. There's a massive swathe of working-class leave voters who don't see themselves as the oppressed proletariat and don't respond to that line. They're working, have families, mortgages, are aspirational and so on. Corbyn doesn't really appeal to them. Fighting an election on a 'class war' basis doesn't work because class isn't a defining factor anymore.

Furthermore, the old vote Tory, and they turn out in massive numbers compared to the young. The Tories are competitive or leading in every area of the vote except the students and the unemployed - two groups that don't turn out in big numbers to vote, and both groups that Corbyn continues to play to almost exclusively. There's no attempt to broaden the appeal of the party to the electorate.

There's ample evidence as to why Corbyn is unelectable, but it's all been ignored by those living in the Momentum bubble, because the Labour party has been hijacked completely and totally.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

There's ample evidence as to why Corbyn is unelectable, but it's all been ignored by those living in the Momentum bubble, because the Labour party has been hijacked completely and totally.

It's not just Momentum bubble don't be so silly. It's much wider than that...

 

[Tubey]

It's not just Momentum bubble don't be so silly. It's much wider than that...

It's the textbook definition of a bubble. You see it on Twitter - a massive echo chamber. Even the poll on this very thread.

There's a fundamental misunderstanding of what Britain is, particularly outside the cities. There's no understanding or even an attempt at understanding what people really want.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

It's the textbook definition of a bubble. You see it on Twitter - a massive echo chamber. Even the poll on this very thread.

There's a fundamental misunderstanding of what Britain is, particularly outside the cities. There's no understanding or even an attempt at understanding what people really want.

It's just not your bubble. Had it been Burnham Smith or Eagle. The same broken record would be playing

What do people want?

 

[peteblue]

Ok you were once 'poor and vulnerable" ---I cannot comment on that as I don't know your history. What I can't square, is that you will vote for a party whose austerity policies are driving this nation into a pit of hatred and bile, while those who are in the top echelon of wealth accumulators hide their money away in tax havens, Name me a policy over the past 10 years which helps the poor, vulnerable, disabled and low paid exploited working people, and doesnt cut vital public services such as police, firefighters, as well as starving local authorities of much needed cash under the guise of "private good, public bad" . What in your view is the best way in which the tories will help to rectify the damage already done by themselves?

This damage was caused by the previous Labour government. The Tories, as is always the case after a Labour government, had to pick up the pieces, again. This pit of hatred and bile only emanates from the left and those who have forgotten what democracy is and wish to overturn a referendum.

The Tories have created jobs. Work is consistently proven to be the best route out of poverty and while social security plays an important role in providing support for those in emergencies, it does not offer the answers to solving poverty in the long term. When you get people back working, generating money and not taking handouts, this gives an increased tax take which provides more money for the really vulnerable and disabled....