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[Black Belt Jones]

It's just not your bubble. Had it been Burnham Smith or Eagle. The same broken record would be playing

What do people want?

Doubt that tbh, it really does boil down to JC being unelectable because people either fundamentally dislike him or have no confidence in his ability to deliver anything because he is not a politician. Plus his own ideological commitment to Brexit made an already intractable problem ten times worse - took him three years to utter a simple, credible, statement on the defining issue of our age.
The policies are good in the main, they are timely and people are receptive but not if they are in Corbyn's name.

It's like the Everton board saying we're looking for a 20 goal a season striker who is athletic, presses hard from the front and has good all round technique so we can play a coherent attacking game.

Dominic Calvert Lewin says he plans to score 20 goals this season, work on his fitness and technique so he can press hard from the front and play an intelligent game that creates opportunities for teammates.

Both of those statements are saying the same thing but one is barely credible and the other is a complete fantasy. Swing voters hear JC talking about forging a new future for the UK and just switch off as it's equivalent to DCL saying he plans to score 20 goals this season.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Some serious mod working going on in here

 

[The binman chronicles]

Look at your take-home pay. Look at the state of your local school. Look at the state of your local hospital. Look at your high street.

Are you happy with how things have changed over the past ten years? Then vote Tory.

If you're not, then vote for Real Change™ instead.

Even though I'm onboard with your overall message the high street issue would have been the same if Labour were in charge. People shop differently now, it's like saying the Tories have diminished the transatlantic airship business.

The internet is passenger airliners and there is little high street shops can do but adapt as best they can.

 

[spectateur]

Said it months ago Peter they'd get a kicking, not surprised if a Labour collapse happens, they've alienated 5m Labour brexit voters.

Don't forget there are millions of tory voters who are remainers.

 

[abelard]

Even though I'm onboard with your overall message the high street issue would have been the same if Labour were in charge. People shop differently now, it's like saying the Tories have diminished the transatlantic airship business.

The internet is passenger airliners and there is little high street shops can do but adapt as best they can.

With the caveat that it is more complicated than I have time to get into now (and if I did, @Bruce Wayne would grow bored): Whereas high street retail in the UK has to pay tax, online retail does not.

Under Labour, this will change.

 

[evilwebby]

It's the textbook definition of a bubble. You see it on Twitter - a massive echo chamber. Even the poll on this very thread.

There's a fundamental misunderstanding of what Britain is, particularly outside the cities. There's no understanding or even an attempt at understanding what people really want.

this is so true, especially in today's world. People seek confirmation bias on an subconcious level from every source of information, and technology and social media easily enables it. It's a large part of the reason we have such a polarized society.

 

[abelard]

this is so true, especially in today's world. People seek confirmation bias on an subconcious level from every source of information, and technology and social media easily enables it. It's a large part of the reason we have such a polarized society.

except for you and @Tubey, standing bravely above the parapets and defending Pure Reason

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Johnson pulled out of leaders debate on C4 tonight, rumours he is going to pull out of his Andrew Neil interview on BBC as well.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

why do Brexit-minded Labour electorate switch to Conservative whereas Remain thinking Tories stay with their parties?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

except for you and @Tubey, standing bravely above the parapets and defending Pure Reason

The Economist is out today

 

[abelard]

The Economist is out today

As you know, I will read it

(don't tell @davek!)

 

[Hickson9]

Johnson pulled out of leaders debate on C4 tonight, rumours he is going to pull out of his Andrew Neil interview on BBC as well.

Underhanded but smart.

 

[Amw79]

And I say this fully aware that it's quite possible that the Tories deliberately said new rather than more in an attempt to make it sound grander and score more votes. It doesn't escape the fact that what should have been quite a sensible policy has descended into tribal squabbling because of the tits we have trying to convince us to vote for them.

The dodgy “50,000 more nurses” line is strategic, as we’ve spent that long arguing over whether the figure is right - that the words “50,000 more nurses” have been repeated hundreds of thousands of times in just a few days (and twice more in this paragraph alone).

It’s a lesson learnt from the £350m for the NHS on the side of a bus. It actually works better that it’s, at best ambiguous, or at worst a lie, as it means the line gets repeated and discussed by both sides indefinitely.

 

[evilwebby]

except for you and @Tubey, standing bravely above the parapets and defending Pure Reason

Mate, this may be the one of the most important pieces of life advice you will ever hear: Don't put your hopes and dreams in the hands of anyone else. Make your own plans. If you haven't got your own plan, then you are a part of someone else's plan.. and guess what they've got planned for you? yep, sweet f.a..

Collective solutions to invidivual problems never work. As an individual you have it in your power to make your own life better. If you want a better job you can choose the books you read, the skills you learn and the extra classes you take. The goverment won't do it for you. Government won't solve student debt.. but YOU can solve your own student debt by choosing to repay it. Government can't solve your health problem, but YOU can solve your health problems if you take seriously youe diet and exercise.

Whoever wins this election...Labour, Tory or anyone else... it will make about 0.01% difference to how your life actually plays out, compared to the 99.9% that is directly within your own ability to influence.

 

[tsubaki]

Mate, this may be the one of the most important pieces of life advice you will ever hear: Don't put your hopes and dreams in the hands of anyone else. Make your own plans. If you haven't got your own plan, then you are a part of someone else's plan.. and guess what they've got planned for you? yep, sweet f.a..

Collective solutions to invidivual problems never work. As an individual you have it in your power to make your own life better. If you want a better job you can choose the books you read, the skills you learn and the extra classes you take. The goverment won't do it for you. Government won't solve student debt.. but YOU can solve your own student debt by choosing to repay it. Government can't solve your health problem, but YOU can solve your health problems if you take seriously youe diet and exercise.

Whoever wins this election...Labour, Tory or anyone else... it will make about 0.01% difference to how your life actually plays out, compared to the 99.9% that is directly within your own ability to influence.

“Collective solutions to individual problems never work”?

This will be news to those of us who live in societies.