Current Affairs The General Election

Voting Intentions

  • Labour

    Votes: 209 61.1%
  • Tories

    Votes: 30 8.8%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 20 5.8%
  • Brexit Gubbins

    Votes: 8 2.3%
  • Greens

    Votes: 8 2.3%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Change UK, if that's their current moniker

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • DUP

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 2.6%
  • Alliance

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • SDLP

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • Some fringe party with a catchy name

    Votes: 7 2.0%
  • A plague on all your houses

    Votes: 32 9.4%

  • Total voters
    342
  • Poll closed .
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I think the NHS is a bit of a basket case to be honest, and whatever government we have, it will stumble from crisis to crisis. The usual retort is to cite the American system, which is utterly bonkers and it's an argument that kinda undermines the politicisation of the NHS, which is a major factor in its current state.

There is nothing wrong with the NHS that cannot be addressed with good long term management. I would absolutely hate using the USA system as a template. Our system and template is ok, it’s just not being that well run....
 
The NHS is the sacred entity that can't be criticised or touched, so because of that you see nothing change. A contract agreed in the 90s will persist to this day with auto-renew and price increase clauses, simply because it's the way it's done.

The effort from the 90s bringing in so called experts from other industries to run the NHS hospitals has been an unmitigated disaster, we do literally have managers now overseeing clinical practice who could not differentiate from septum to rectum, but they have first degree hons in Bean counting, so all is well...
 
“Two of Britain's biggest power companies have shifted the ownership of their businesses offshore to protect against the threat of nationalisation by a Labour government.
National Grid and SSE, who together own the country's gas and electricity transmission networks, said they had started overseas holding companies in the wake of Jeremy Corbyn's plans to bring them under state ownership.”

and so it begins.....

Sounds a bit like project fear and brexit Pete?
 
They actually believe it as well. The mind boggles.

If they really believe that interview went well they are Prince Andrew level's of delusion. In that interview she makes Dianne Abbott look like Einstein.

The presenters are correct when they said, she ought not to have simplified the analogy further to GMB presenters. It took it from a relatively abstract grey area they might get away with to a concrete figure people can understand. And that the same presenters are not new.

I'd go as far as to say, Labour would have struggled to have convey the message, in such a simplistic manner so efficiently.

The other big issue, is this is a key issue for key voters they have to win over (notably leave voters outside of the South). Forget headline figures on polling, if they don't convince those voters in key constituencies they don't translate their headline advantage into seats very efficiently.

It's a major gaff. I actually think their broad strategy has been quite sensible around the manifesto. Low key, nothing too extravagant and not leaving themselves too many headaches down the road having to row back. However making themselves seem untrustworthy on the NHS on top of what is a very cautious manifesto could really backfire.

They will not want this to be the story for the next 2-3 days, that actually they have lied on number of nurses and more broadly lied about the scale of government spending they have to offer. I can't help but feel this interview has had the opposite affect.
 
I've heard from good sources several horror stories about NHS mismanagement. Flushing millions upon millions away on completely avoidable things like basic contracts for essentials that are 500% over the market price.

It's not through any mendacity. From my personal experience, the NHS is staffed with good people who are trying their best. Despite that however, it's often a bit of a balls up.
 

Exactly that.

The fact they actually felt proud enough to publish that press release about doing the basics any business should do speaks volumes.

This is exactly what I was told a few years back:

[The NHS could save] £5.6 million a year if they paid minimum price for one box of examination gloves. Prices charged for a pack of 100 examination gloves can vary from £0.65 to £1.84 currently.

They know this, they have the info, they have had the info for years, yet the speed in which they enact the obvious changes to save money is turtle-paced.
 
It's not through any mendacity. From my personal experience, the NHS is staffed with good people who are trying their best. Despite that however, it's often a bit of a balls up.

They aren't being deceitful, no. In many cases they aren't even being incompetent. They're just working in a framework that hamstrings any proactivity.

The issue is that because the NHS can't be criticised, these bad practices perpetuate. The answer too often is to throw bad money on top of bad money at the problem, instead of fixing the leaks.
 
My own experience of the NHS, and over the last 10 years I've sadly had plenty, the left-hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing as neither take into account each other's actions. This position has come about from mainly over management, each managerial unit fails badly in controlling budgets without consulting other relevant units. It is my opinion that making GP's responsible for budgets on paper looks reasonable but in practice is hopeless, a doctor is a clinician, not an accountant, bookkeepers aren't asked to become doctors or make out prescriptions.
I'm diabetic yet, and this was a central government decision, the blood-sugar measuring gadget was changed to a computer-based system across the board from the tried and tested system used for years. Modernisation, not at all, the initial system failed as it was inaccurate, millions of pounds squandered. This has since been replaced by yet another computer system which allows 50 tests per attachable pod that costs £18 each, god knows what the machine itself costs. The total cost must be well in excess of £100 mil. This type of frivolous expenditure goes unreported although some computer companies making these gadgets will have made a killing which disgusts me. The entire outlay, including the new ones, is an enormous waste as the clinics themselves aren't equipped with the machinery to use computer-based information. I'm cynical enough to suggest that whoever authorised this cock-up could well be on the make as no clinical based advice could have been used.
Earlier this year I completed the pain management course at Walton Neuro, it was brilliant and helped me no end. The next time I visited my GP for a check-up I mentioned the course as I had lost weight and become more active. The only question he had for me was not about the course or the turnaround it had brought to my life, he asked 'who paid for that' I left in disgust as money was more important than my welfare and I had the impression that the surgery would have refused me the funding to have done the course anyway. Thank God the Walton doctors knew it could work as the GP either didn't believe, care or possibly was concerned at the cost to his practice.
We are now being shown adverts for this that and the other medical treatment some claiming they are licensed to sell or on behalf of the NHS, who authorises these, how much do these licenses cost and where does that money go.
The NHS was never designed for this, it has become over-complicated by bureaucracy, designed by managers and politicians leaving us the patients languishing in its wake. The last thing we need is it to be Americanised
 
Exactly that.

The fact they actually felt proud enough to publish that press release about doing the basics any business should do speaks volumes.

This is exactly what I was told a few years back:



They know this, they have the info, they have had the info for years, yet the speed in which they enact the obvious changes to save money is turtle-paced.
It's like you say, it's incredibly basic economies of scale. The NHS should be buying on a national scale. Jettison a load of totally unneeded procurement wages too.
 
I've lost track of this over the past few days but I have seen the tories headline pledges. How on earth are they going to magic up an additional 50,000 nurses, where are these people going to come from? How are they going to be trained? How are these people going to get in with this new Australian style points based immigration? It's all nonsense.
 
My own experience of the NHS, and over the last 10 years I've sadly had plenty, the left-hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing as neither take into account each other's actions. This position has come about from mainly over management, each managerial unit fails badly in controlling budgets without consulting other relevant units. It is my opinion that making GP's responsible for budgets on paper looks reasonable but in practice is hopeless, a doctor is a clinician, not an accountant, bookkeepers aren't asked to become doctors or make out prescriptions.
I'm diabetic yet, and this was a central government decision, the blood-sugar measuring gadget was changed to a computer-based system across the board from the tried and tested system used for years. Modernisation, not at all, the initial system failed as it was inaccurate, millions of pounds squandered. This has since been replaced by yet another computer system which allows 50 tests per attachable pod that costs £18 each, god knows what the machine itself costs. The total cost must be well in excess of £100 mil. This type of frivolous expenditure goes unreported although some computer companies making these gadgets will have made a killing which disgusts me. The entire outlay, including the new ones, is an enormous waste as the clinics themselves aren't equipped with the machinery to use computer-based information. I'm cynical enough to suggest that whoever authorised this cock-up could well be on the make as no clinical based advice could have been used.
Earlier this year I completed the pain management course at Walton Neuro, it was brilliant and helped me no end. The next time I visited my GP for a check-up I mentioned the course as I had lost weight and become more active. The only question he had for me was not about the course or the turnaround it had brought to my life, he asked 'who paid for that' I left in disgust as money was more important than my welfare and I had the impression that the surgery would have refused me the funding to have done the course anyway. Thank God the Walton doctors knew it could work as the GP either didn't believe, care or possibly was concerned at the cost to his practice.
We are now being shown adverts for this that and the other medical treatment some claiming they are licensed to sell or on behalf of the NHS, who authorises these, how much do these licenses cost and where does that money go.
The NHS was never designed for this, it has become over-complicated by bureaucracy, designed by managers and politicians leaving us the patients languishing in its wake. The last thing we need is it to be Americanised

Lovely to see you Monty. How have you been?
 
I've lost track of this over the past few days but I have seen the tories headline pledges. How on earth are they going to magic up an additional 50,000 nurses, where are these people going to come from? How are they going to be trained? How are these people going to get in with this new Australian style points based immigration? It's all nonsense.
According to Nicky Morgan 20,000 of them are already employed by the NHS but count as new because they'll manage to get them not to quit or something.
 
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