Current Affairs The General Election

[sbbefc]

We need a comprehensive collapse in the Lib Dem vote, and for 55+ year olds to stay at home for us to have any chance.

The second referendum policy is what lost it.

When it comes to brexit they're damned if they do damned if they dont. They've gambled. The trouble is all the gains they made in London at the last election would be lost.

 

[Pudsey]

Raynor's performance on Andrew Marr this morning was, again, far from inspiring.

 

[Blues Harp]

Raynor's performance on Andrew Marr this morning was, again, far from inspiring.

Why"s that mate? Don't you mean Angela Rayner?

 

[evilwebby]

Labour's problem runs deeper than just a misjudgment on the 2nd referendum option. If it were that easy then there would be a simple quick fix to their malaise.. and the real world is far messier than that. No, Labour's problems started when the actively rejected fighting for the middle ground in British politics, which is where elections are always won. They did well in 2017 against a calamitous campaign from Theresa May who did everything wrong, but a further lurch to the Left since then makes then unelectable for moderates. Unfortunately the are positioned where they are because it reflects the people they have leading them. In order to change there will need to be a turnover of their parliamentary MPs, which will likely take another 2 terms. That will be Corbyn's legacy to the Labour Party - electoral exile for the next decade.

 

[dannyboy]

Labour's problem runs deeper than just a misjudgment on the 2nd referendum option. If it were that easy then there would be a simple quick fix to their malaise.. and the real world is far messier than that. No, Labour's problems started when the actively rejected fighting for the middle ground in British politics, which is where elections are always won. They did well in 2016 against Theresa May who did everything wrong, but a further lurch to the Left since then makes then unelectable for moderates. Unfortunately the are positioned where they are because it reflects the people they have leading them. In order to change there will need to be a turnover of their parliamentary MPs, which will likely take another 2 terms. That will be Corbyn's legacy to the Labour Party - electoral exile for the next decade.

You do realise that Labour ran on that platform and got 29% of the vote on both occasions? The idea the nation is hungry for someone like Jo Swinson to be in charge of the Labour Party is one which exists only in the heads of journalists at the Guardian.

You say elections are won from the centre ground but which Tory governments have you been watching get elected for that past decade?

 

[evilwebby]

You do realise that Labour ran on that platform and got 29% of the vote on both occasions? The idea the nation is hungry for someone like Jo Swinson to be in charge of the Labour Party is one which exists only in the heads of journalists at the Guardian.

You say elections are won from the centre ground but which Tory governments have you been watching get elected for that past decade?

Mate, look at the last 50 years. Tony Blair is the only lab leader to have won an election since 1974. Ask yourself if he did that by positioning himself in the middle ground or on the firm left.

 

[Pudsey]

She could not answer Marr's repeated question about the removal of the married tax allowance making millions of basic rate tax payers worse off. All she could do was stick to her pre-prepared script. It was more than embarrassing and shows the paucity of choice we have before us nowadays.

 

[roydo]

You do realise that Labour ran on that platform and got 29% of the vote on both occasions? The idea the nation is hungry for someone like Jo Swinson to be in charge of the Labour Party is one which exists only in the heads of journalists at the Guardian.

You say elections are won from the centre ground but which Tory governments have you been watching get elected for that past decade?

My opinion is that Labour need to appeal to people who would not usually vote for them. You can call it the centre ground, you could call it Mickey Mouse, but the song remains the same.

You, Labour, can blame the media, other/ex Labour MPs, Trump, Putin, it matters not. As a floater, Corbyns stance on Brexit, and his general message just does not appeal, and the stuff that McDonnell comes out with fills an awful lot of similar minded folk with dread.

That will be obviously dismissed by the echo chamber, but in real life, Labour have to recognise the stark truth of it, not rubbish anyone who isnt a fully paid up member of the Corbyn/Mcdonnell view of the world.

 

[dannyboy]

Mate, look at the last 50 years. Tony Blair is the only lab leader to have won an election since 1974. Ask yourself if he did that by positioning himself in the middle ground or on the firm left.

I see no evidence that a centrist candidate like Miliband would perform any better now. No matter what policies we adopt it will always be too radical.

 

[dannyboy]

My opinion is that Labour need to appeal to people who would not usually vote for them. You can call it the centre ground, you could call it Mickey Mouse, but the song remains the same.

You, Labour, can blame the media, other/ex Labour MPs, Trump, Putin, it matters not. As a floater, Corbyns stance on Brexit, and his general message just does not appeal, and the stuff that McDonnell comes out with fills an awful lot of similar minded folk with dread.

That will be obviously dismissed by the echo chamber, but in real life, Labour have to recognise the stark truth of it, not rubbish anyone who isnt a fully paid up member of the Corbyn/Mcdonnell view of the world.

What policies would you like to see to attract these elusive voters?

 

[roydo]

I see no evidence that a centrist candidate like Miliband would perform any better now. No matter what policies we adopt it will always be too radical.

Looking at it the wrong way around mate. An awful lot of folk dont bother even reading any manifesto, and after the press when policies are announced, mainly forget all about them. They vote for who they think will represent the UK, and then maybe a big ticket policy. Brexit is obviously the one at the moment.

Johnson knows that. And you can argue till the cows come home about him, but, he appears positive, energised, with pretty much a single message. Corbyn comes across as muddled, railing at the world, and solving problems that the vast majority of folk just dont care about, dont know about, or never affect them.

It isnt right, it isnt a guarantee of even a half decent Government, but unfortunately, tis the world we live in.

 

[roydo]

What policies would you like to see to attract these elusive voters?

^^^^^^^^^

 

[Blues Harp]

Mate, look at the last 50 years. Tony Blair is the only lab leader to have won an election since 1974. Ask yourself if he did that by positioning himself in the middle ground or on the firm left.

"Labour leader?" Yeah ok. ....the thatcher said he was one of her finest achievements....red Tory warmongering Bush puppet.

 

[dannyboy]

Looking at it the wrong way around mate. An awful lot of folk dont bother even reading any manifesto, and after the press when policies are announced, mainly forget all about them. They vote for who they think will represent the UK, and then maybe a big ticket policy. Brexit is obviously the one at the moment.

Johnson knows that. And you can argue till the cows come home about him, but, he appears positive, energised, with pretty much a single message. Corbyn comes across as muddled, railing at the world, and solving problems that the vast majority of folk just dont care about, dont know about, or never affect them.

It isnt right, it isnt a guarantee of even a half decent Government, but unfortunately, tis the world we live in.

Valid points but we are deluding ourselves by thinking even someone like Blair could beat Johnson right now. You've got a Tory PM promising to invest in schools and hospitals and appealing to the masses by promising to get Brexit done.

What would Blair or anyone else do to counter that?

 

[Blue 1]

She could not answer Marr's repeated question about the removal of the married tax allowance making millions of basic rate tax payers worse off. All she could do was stick to her pre-prepared script. It was more than embarrassing and shows the paucity of choice we have before us nowadays.

FFS it's not difficult, Angela. I was pee'd off about it until I realised the £10/h min wage would increase my wife's earnings to more than cover it, making my household better off.