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[dannyboy]

You can keep saying stuff like this but if Labour loses this election and the next where do you go? Labour would be keeping the Tories in power by not being a credible alternative.

This Tory party is there for the taking, no one is in love with it (except Pete), but equally no one loves Labour outside of it's core group and without most of Scotland and Wales voting for Labour the numbers aren't there for a majority. This isn't just Corbyn by the way, even the 97 likeable version of Blair would struggle to get elected on that manifesto with the SNP grip on Scotland.

Brown was kicked out as a response of being in power for 3 terms already and Miliband couldn't compete with Cameron, but blame centrist policies when the last two elections were run on a centre-right basis.

There for the taking how though? What actions do you think Labour should have taken to win this election?

 

[Jamiednm]

With all the ongoing uproar/nonsense/whatever it is about the 80k tax bracket thing, I don't know if it's been pointed out that the basic annual salary of an MP is £79,468, as of April 2019.

Now, I have absolutely no issue with taxing people more if they earn more (as long as it doesn't go overboard) but I just think it's quite interesting how the 80k thing has come about.

Has that always been the bracket, or is it just the proposed new bracket in Labour's manifesto.

Either way, as far as random, arbitrary numbers go, it's pretty convenient, ey?

What could you possibly be suggesting?? Our Parliamentarians are beyond reproach. BEYOND REPROACH.

 

[roydo]

As someone who taught in England for 5 years and whose parents have worked in the NHS for 20 years I can only disagree.

Do you not read the reports on the state of the NHS and think there's a problem? Do you not hear about headteachers doing sponsored runs to pay for school supplies?

Me and the Labour Party can't do anything if you and other people aren't willing to sit up and take notice until it directly affects you. It's quite depressing because when you do take notice there is every chance it will be too late.

My Mum and Mrs R worked in the NHS. My sister is a teacher, my youngest son is in the adult social care system, my eldest lad has uni fees and is a fully paid up Gen Rent member.

Mrs R has had mental health issues for 18 months, (no longer works, so now in the benefit system), I work in the GIG economy. Zero workers rights.

The NHS has been fantastic as a user. Fantastic as an employer. The Adult social care system has been frustrating at times, but ultimately great.

So when I am told that everything is crap, when my experience suggests otherwise, (not perfect, granted), I kinda turn off.

 

[zzr45]

There for the taking how though? What actions do you think Labour should have taken to win this election?

Not being absolutely mental for one.

 

[dannyboy]

My Mum and Mrs R worked in the NHS. My sister is a teacher, my youngest son is in the adult social care system, my eldest lad has uni fees and is a fully paid up Gen Rent member.

Mrs R has had mental health issues for 18 months, (no longer works, so now in the benefit system), I work in the GIG economy. Zero workers rights.

The NHS has been fantastic as a user. Fantastic as an employer. The Adult social care system has been frustrating at times, but ultimately great.

So when I am told that everything is crap, when my experience suggests otherwise, (not perfect, granted), I kinda turn off.

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How can you just switch off when you read stories like this? This is going to sound awful, but is it going to have to directly affect one of your family members for you to care?

 

[dannyboy]

Not being absolutely mental for one.

OK. Anything else you'd like to see?

 

[roydo]

There for the taking how though? What actions do you think Labour should have taken to win this election?

As it is pretty much a single issue one, despite folk saying it isnt, probably not a lot, based on their gymnastics on the subject.

 

[roydo]

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How can you just switch off when you read stories like this? This is going to sound awful, but is it going to have to directly affect one of your family members for you to care?

There you (Labour) go again. Telling me I am wrong, cos you are right. When MY experience has been completely different. (Never been to A&E tbf).

Its akin to trying to tell me Everton are doing well. I am not saying everything is great. I am not saying Johnson is remotely fit to be PM.

What I am saying is telling people that everything is dreadful, that all it needs is state ownership of everything, free this, free that, does not chime with enough folk to get you elected.

In my earlier life, sales, you sell the sizzle, not the sausage. Every time Johnson opens his trap, its Get Brexit Done. The sizzle.

 

[The binman chronicles]

There for the taking how though? What actions do you think Labour should have taken to win this election?

Strip back all the promises for a start and all the unnecessary clutter. Forget taking back the services under government control for now, focus on 3/4 things that matter most. Sorting out universal credit, addressing food banks and homelessness (that's 1 in my book). Make the NHS a priority and getting it back on an even keel. Commit to the social housing building programme. You could even throw in education, education, education for good measure as it always goes down well. Dump the taxation threats that get a lot of people's backs up and gives the papers an easy headline.

Win that election and after showing they can be trusted then think about phase 2 of the masterplan. Skipping straight to phase 5 makes it sound unrealistic and that they can't trusted with the tiller.

It would have helped if Labour had managed to push through a second referendum under the last parliament. That could have exonerated them from the hassle they are getting now.

 

[BlueToff]

I appreciate the arguments against leaving the EU and I probably share a lot of your concerns. Do you think the vast majority of the people who voted to leave understood what they were doing though?

It's not my place to judge really.

17.4 million is a lot of people. I can't categorically say that the majority misunderstood (even though I agree it's probably likely) what they were voting for.

 

[Alan Whittle]

There you (Labour) go again. Telling me I am wrong, cos you are right. When MY experience has been completely different. (Never been to A&E tbf).

Its akin to trying to tell me Everton are doing well. I am not saying everything is great. I am not saying Johnson is remotely fit to be PM.

What I am saying is telling people that everything is dreadful, that all it needs is state ownership of everything, free this, free that, does not chime with enough folk to get you elected.

In my earlier life, sales, you sell the sizzle, not the sausage. Every time Johnson opens his trap, its Get Brexit Done. The sizzle.

Agreed. My experience of the NHS is nothing but positive based on a very long and chronic illness leading to an organ transplant (including a number of A&E visits via ambulance) and my old Ma being ill and on dialysis. A&E was often full of self inflicted cases, drink & drugs who are included in the stats. They were generally the ones loudly demanding attention and verbally and physically abusing staff. I’m sorry if they had to wait more than four hours. My experience covers four different hospitals in the south west and West Midlands.
The NHS is a national treasure partially abused by those who take no responsibility for themselves and is then weaponised by deceitful, incompetent politicians of all parties.

 

[peteblue]

We need a comprehensive collapse in the Lib Dem vote, and for 55+ year olds to stay at home for us to have any chance.

The second referendum policy is what lost it.

The second referendum policy is indeed what has lost it, and those over 55 will not stay at home whatever the weather....

 

[Tea_drinker]

Its labours failure to completely expose Johnson's multitudes of lies that is losing this. I don't know why they don't just go for him.

 

[roydo]

The second referendum policy is indeed what has lost it, and those over 55 will not stay at home whatever the weather....

Yep. Any lingering hope that I could find a reason to vote for Labour flew out the window when they said that. I have had a guts full of Brexit.

 

[peteblue]

serf-speak.

The thing is though Dave that Corbyn is such a miserable bugger. There is no humour to him and I have never trusted miserable buggers. Boris, by comparison, at least has a bit of humour, like Corbyn he may believe he is right but there is more chance of him actually listening to real people than those like McDonnel who believe they are infallible......

Imagine being in a pub with either Corbyn or McDonnel, then think what it would be like with Boris. We don’t want or need a miserable, we know best, doctrinaire government, we need someone to raise spirits, provide direction and motivate the country......