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[Blues Harp]

Valid points but we are deluding ourselves by thinking even someone like Blair could beat Johnson right now. You've got a Tory PM promising to invest in schools and hospitals and appealing to the masses by promising to get Brexit done.

What would Blair or anyone else do to counter that?

Blair would be deputy pm mate.

 

[roydo]

Valid points but we are deluding ourselves by thinking even someone like Blair could beat Johnson right now. You've got a Tory PM promising to invest in schools and hospitals and appealing to the masses by promising to get Brexit done.

What would Blair or anyone else do to counter that?

Thats kinda my point mate. Corbyn et al rubbish anyone who disagrees with their view of the world, Johnson is giving people what they want.

If Labour cant see that, they should really go to their bedroom and think about what they have done.

 

[BlueToff]

With all the ongoing uproar/nonsense/whatever it is about the 80k tax bracket thing, I don't know if it's been pointed out that the basic annual salary of an MP is £79,468, as of April 2019.

Now, I have absolutely no issue with taxing people more if they earn more (as long as it doesn't go overboard) but I just think it's quite interesting how the 80k thing has come about.

Has that always been the bracket, or is it just the proposed new bracket in Labour's manifesto.

Either way, as far as random, arbitrary numbers go, it's pretty convenient, ey?

 

[dannyboy]

Thats kinda my point mate. Corbyn et al rubbish anyone who disagrees with their view of the world, Johnson is giving people what they want.

If Labour cant see that, they should really go to their bedroom and think about what they have done.

People have been duped into thinking Brexit is what they need unfortunately. They also don't make any connection between 9 years of cuts to schools and hospitals and Johnson promising to repair damage that has been done.

I see people say all the time that Labour should be 10 points ahead in the polls but as I said above, what would any Labour leader say/promise to counteract the Tory onslaught?

 

[BlueToff]

My opinion is that Labour need to appeal to people who would not usually vote for them. You can call it the centre ground, you could call it Mickey Mouse, but the song remains the same.

You, Labour, can blame the media, other/ex Labour MPs, Trump, Putin, it matters not. As a floater, Corbyns stance on Brexit, and his general message just does not appeal, and the stuff that McDonnell comes out with fills an awful lot of similar minded folk with dread.

That will be obviously dismissed by the echo chamber, but in real life, Labour have to recognise the stark truth of it, not rubbish anyone who isnt a fully paid up member of the Corbyn/Mcdonnell view of the world.

I pointed out in a chat with a mate (who will be voting Labour) the other day that I can't think of one example of anybody I know or have heard of being 'converted' (for lack of a better term) to Labour now that wasn't already a Labour voter last time.

 

[dannyboy]

With all the ongoing uproar/nonsense/whatever it is about the 80k tax bracket thing, I don't know if it's been pointed out that the basic annual salary of an MP is £79,468, as of April 2019.

Now, I have absolutely no issue with taxing people more if they earn more (as long as it doesn't go overboard) but I just think it's quite interesting how the 80k thing has come about.

Has that always been the bracket, or is it just the proposed new bracket in Labour's manifesto.

Either way, as far as random, arbitrary numbers go, it's pretty convenient, ey?

Doubtlessly most MPs will be on well over £80,000 anyway.

 

[BlueToff]

People have been duped into thinking Brexit is what they need unfortunately. They also don't make any connection between 9 years of cuts to schools and hospitals and Johnson promising to repair damage that has been done.

I see people say all the time that Labour should be 10 points ahead in the polls but as I said above, what would any Labour leader say/promise to counteract the Tory onslaught?

And this attitude isn't right either.

Some - maybe a lot, I don't know - thought/think that way, I'm sure.

I didn't when I voted out. I voted out because I don't like how the EU is run and don't actually think we'll have any impact in that regard because we haven't for the past 40 years. And if it had been a referendum to vote into it three years ago then I wouldn't have wanted us to join.

I don't think it's what we 'need'. So please don't paint everyone with the same brush. It's that attitude that ultimately has contributed to the whole Leave/Remain divide getting worse over the past three years. People telling other people they're thick is never gonna help.

 

[Blues Harp]

Thats kinda my point mate. Corbyn et al rubbish anyone who disagrees with their view of the world, Johnson is giving people what they want.

If Labour cant see that, they should really go to their bedroom and think about what they have done.

So we all want another 5 years of ruinous austerity, neo liberal [Poor language removed]? Let's all pack up and go home then, there's no point is there? Giving people what they want eh? Hope it comes back and bites them on the bum if the lying tosser gets back in.

 

[BlueToff]

Doubtlessly most MPs will be on well over £80,000 anyway.

Oh yeh, they'll all have extra income and I'm sure they will be in that bracket.

I just thought it's interesting. £80k seems a lot if you're wanting to fund free everything. Which, conversely, is why they won't get in. People will see through it.

Billionaires/multi-millionaires/massive corporations will simply not pay the increased tax. They'll figure out ways around it (probably move accounts abroad etc) and then it's just ultimately probably the ones in the brackets below who will end up paying more.

 

[BlueToff]

So we all want another 5 years of ruinous austerity, neo liberal [Poor language removed]? Let's all pack up and go home then, there's no point is there? Giving people what they want eh? Hope it comes back and bites them on the bum if the lying tosser gets back in.

No - I don't think anyone wants that.

But realistically, the Tories are probably gonna get in again. And I'm sick of Labour voters (not all) saying it's everyone else's fault.

If the party isn't good enough - over three successive elections - to oust this crapshow of a government, then the party is the problem.

 

[dannyboy]

And this attitude isn't right either.

Some - maybe a lot, I don't know - thought/think that way, I'm sure.

I didn't when I voted out. I voted out because I don't like how the EU is run and don't actually think we'll have any impact in that regard because we haven't for the past 40 years. And if it had been a referendum to vote into it three years ago then I wouldn't have wanted us to join.

I don't think it's what we 'need'. So please don't paint everyone with the same brush. It's that attitude that ultimately has contributed to the whole Leave/Remain divide getting worse over the past three years. People telling other people they're thick is never gonna help.

I appreciate the arguments against leaving the EU and I probably share a lot of your concerns. Do you think the vast majority of the people who voted to leave understood what they were doing though?

 

[roydo]

People have been duped into thinking Brexit is what they need unfortunately. They also don't make any connection between 9 years of cuts to schools and hospitals and Johnson promising to repair damage that has been done.

I see people say all the time that Labour should be 10 points ahead in the polls but as I said above, what would any Labour leader say/promise to counteract the Tory onslaught?

On Brexit, I totally agree. Sold a pup, but that race is run I am afraid.

On the NHS. Everyone single time I, Mrs R, or my parents have needed to use it over the last 10 years, (My Dad has, a lot), it has been fantastic.

On schools, my lads both went to local comps. They were, and are superb. Match the public schools in Bristol pretty much.

So the local Labour candidate telling me its all a crock of poo just does not resonate. Now I am not saying everything and everyone is sound. Far from it. But standing on a ticket of "No idea about Brexit, and every thing is crap, we will solve it" just sounds hollow.

 

[roydo]

Giving people what they want eh?

Its a pretty decent starting point if I am honest. In an election like.

 

[dannyboy]

On Brexit, I totally agree. Sold a pup, but that race is run I am afraid.

On the NHS. Everyone single time I, Mrs R, or my parents have needed to use it over the last 10 years, (My Dad has, a lot), it has been fantastic.

On schools, my lads both went to local comps. They were, and are superb. Match the public schools in Bristol pretty much.

So the local Labour candidate telling me its all a crock of poo just does not resonate. Now I am not saying everything and everyone is sound. Far from it. But standing on a ticket of "No idea about Brexit, and every thing is crap, we will solve it" just sounds hollow.

As someone who taught in England for 5 years and whose parents have worked in the NHS for 20 years I can only disagree.

Do you not read the reports on the state of the NHS and think there's a problem? Do you not hear about headteachers doing sponsored runs to pay for school supplies?

Me and the Labour Party can't do anything if you and other people aren't willing to sit up and take notice until it directly affects you. It's quite depressing because when you do take notice there is every chance it will be too late.

 

[The binman chronicles]

"Labour leader?" Yeah ok. ....the thatcher said he was one of her finest achievements....red Tory warmongering Bush puppet.

You can keep saying stuff like this but if Labour loses this election and the next where do you go? Labour would be keeping the Tories in power by not being a credible alternative.

This Tory party is there for the taking, no one is in love with it (except Pete), but equally no one loves Labour outside of it's core group and without most of Scotland and Wales voting for Labour the numbers aren't there for a majority. This isn't just Corbyn by the way, even the 97 likeable version of Blair would struggle to get elected on that manifesto with the SNP grip on Scotland.

Brown was kicked out as a response of being in power for 3 terms already and Miliband couldn't compete with Cameron, but blame centrist policies when the last two elections were won from a centre-right basis.