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[davek]

...its in all our interests to have an electable Labour Party but they will be destined to be in the wilderness forever if they don’t learn the lessons of this strategy. Getting rid of well rounded, centre left MPs will further isolate them. Too many talk like shop stewards, too many are ex-Union officials. Bottom line is, that doesn’t attract the voters they need to attract.

When Corbyn beats Burnham in a leadership contest and then Burnham escapes Westminster, it says everything that is wrong with the party. The fundamental problem for the Labour Party is the Labour Party.

You've drawn the wrong conclsuion completely. If the LP had gone into the last election with a centrist politcian at the helm they'd have been wiped out. Just like Brown and Miliband were. Corbyn led the party back to within an ace of victory again. The Corbyn project has been derailed this time around by his and his advisers failure to complete the elimination of the centre right from the party...and they (because of their numbers in parliament) were able to drag the leadership away from an honest Brexit postion and to certain defeat.

If you dont understand and follow that, there's no chance you can get to the heart of this.

 

[orchard]

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It's the way they are getting rid of them as well Eggs, it comes across as being a tad underhanded.

Who?

 

[davek]

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It's the way they are getting rid of them as well Eggs, it comes across as being a tad underhanded.

It's not underhand: they are left to persuade their own membership they are worthy representatives for their constituency; an election is held, and they survive or step down. What could be more reasonable than that? And most incumbents have survived that process, btw.

 

[davek]

Pro China + Pro Corbyn


Interesting Dave...

Again, you do your position harm by simply making things up to square your own warped viewpoint.

I am not, nor ever have been, pro CCP. But the fact you state I am underlines what a mess your own 'argument' is in.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

It's not underhand: they are left to persuade their own membership they are worthy representatives for their constituency; an election is held, and they survive or step down. What could be more reasonable than that? And most incumbents have survived that process, btw.

I know what you're saying Dave, and whether it's right or wrong, but it just comes across at times that if you, as an MP don't support Corbyn, then you are some sort of enemy of the party. You can still fight for the Labour values if you're not fully behind its leader.

 

[Zatara]

Again, you do your position harm by simply making things up to square your own warped viewpoint.

I am not, nor ever have been, pro CCP. But the fact you state I am underlines what a mess your own 'argument' is in.

You need to have some balance here Dave.

These posts dont have any balance.

 

[davek]

I know what you're saying Dave, and whether it's right or wrong, but it just comes across at times that if you, as an MP don't support Corbyn, then you are some sort of enemy of the party.

I dont see that mate. I wish they were treated as an enemy of the party and simply expelled. The Corbyn leadership have been way too understanding of their internal detractors for my liking.

As said, though, this election will see many of them forced out by the electorate. The LP must build on the ashes of this coming defeat and elect candidates for parliament who'll fight for the issues that their own constituency membership endorse. The LP need unity top to bottom.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I dont see that mate. I wish they were treated as an enemy of the party and simply expelled. The Corbyn leadership have been way too understanding of their internal detractors for my liking.

As said, thiugh, this election will see many of them forced out by the electorate. The LP must build on the ashes of this coming defeat and elect cnadidates for parliamnt who'll fight for the issues that their own constituency membership endorse. The LP need unity top to bottom.

I know it looks on the cards mate, but you just never know.

 

[Eggs]

You've drawn the wrong conclsuion completely. If the LP had gone into the last election with a centrist politcian at the helm they'd have been wiped out. Just like Brown and Miliband were. Corbyn led the party back to within an ace of victory again. The Corbyn project has been derailed this time around by his and his advisers failure to complete the elimination of the centre right from the party...and they (because of their numbers in parliament) were able to drag the leadership away from an honest Brexit postion and to certain defeat.

If you dont understand and follow that, there's no chance you can get to the heart of this.

....I‘m afraid I don’t follow that at all. Corbyn is a millstone around Labour, he always has been. Burnham in charge would’ve attracted more of the voters Labour need to attract.

 

[davek]

I know it looks on the cards mate, but you just never know.

I still believe there'll be a hung parliament. The Tory target seats (and they need to get just about all of them) are in areas that simply dont vote Tory EVER. That's a tall order. The fact that the Tories have a double digit opinion poll lead is not impressive to me. It's mostly as a result of the BXT Party stepping down in Tory controlled seats anyway. But the LP wont win this election. They may, as an outiside chance, form a minority government, but I dont see that.

Whatever, the chance will be there to reinvigorate Labour post election.

 

[davek]

....I‘m afraid I don’t follow that at all. Corbyn is a millstone around Labour, he always has been. Burnham in charge would’ve attracted more of the voters Labour need to attract.

You're thinking like a red top headline writer.

Burnham: he's utterly 'kin woeful. He has no standing amongst the party members. He's a non-starter.

 

[Moomin]

Running away, no wonder they didn't want Boris on the C4 debate.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Pro China + Pro Corbyn


Interesting Dave...

Protested myself against Xi Jumping when he came for his state visit 2015, Conservative government could not kowtow enough. My point to protesting was inviting a leader such XI Jinping legitimises their presence on the world stage, thus breathes confidence into their domestic agendas.

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[Hickson9]

If it's 50-50 in the debate then it has to go down as a Johnson win because of how far ahead he is in the polls. Corbyn needs to be the clear winner for it to be considered a win for him.

I'd say the opposite.

People tend to stick with their party when assessing these things.

If the consensus is that it was even then he has out performed the polling. It means a fair few people who will vote Tory must have thought Corbyn performed better than Johnson.

He needs some overwhelming victories to close the polls by a few points, to give a bit of hope going in to the last week.

Then Labour need to pray that remainers realise only Labour can stop Brexit and the Lib Dem vote completely collapses in to Labour (as Brexit party has done in to the Tories).

They also need to pray Donald Trump does/says something in his visit that they can leverage.

 

[larrygobfiend]

Says something about a country when a party can win a majority despite behaving like utter scum. I just hoping there’s something left for the youth to salvage in 10 years time.