Current Affairs The Far Right

[ilikecheese]

It's probably not even a new thing.

 

[Socrates]

 

[dholliday]

There's an equivalent out there for the uni-educated left-wing with entries like "obsessed with Boris Johnson/Trump", "thinks Obama was the messiah" & "literally hates people who voted Brexit, even from their own family" etc

 

[Blue 1]

There's an equivalent out there for the uni-educated left-wing with entries like "obsessed with Boris Johnson/Trump", "thinks Obama was the messiah" & "literally hates people who voted Brexit, even from their own family" etc

I'm yet to encounter it.

I mean, I think I see what you're getting at, but I don't think anyone on the left thinks Obama was the messiah or is obsessed with Boris or Trump in the same way. It's well documented that the level of crap Dianne Abbott gets is in a different league to any other UK politician

Maybe people hate their own families over Brexit. I don't know.

 

[Lord Buckethead]

The Brownshirts are reaching out to recruit and learn from even further right thugs.

UKIP FORMS ALLIANCE WITH HOOLIGAN-LED STREET MOVEMENTS

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2018/03/06/ukip-forms-alliance-hooligan-led-street-movements/

The crisis-struck party has reached peak desperation, attempting to recruit – and allegedly consulting – members of the hooligan-led Football Lads Alliance (FLA) and its offshoots.

 

[dholliday]

I mean, I think I see what you're getting at, but I don't think anyone on the left thinks Obama was the messiah or is obsessed with Boris or Trump in the same way. It's well documented that the level of crap Dianne Abbott gets is in a different league to any other UK politician

Diane Abbott gets a lot of fair criticism because she's really stumbled badly in interviews. She also gets unfair criticism from stupid nasty racists because she's an outspoken black lady.

She's deffo top 3 in most-maligned (unfair or no) UK politician, but if I was a betting man (and I was) I'd put money on Boris being number 1.

Maybe people hate their own families over Brexit. I don't know.

Unfortunately I've seen it. Remainers feel those voting Brexit have betrayed them in a really ugly way, so it causes an ugly reaction. One of my mates is not talking to his mum or brother because they voted Brexit. I told him to try at least and see their side, but he says he just gets too riled up, and this fever means he can't talk to them about anything else so he's just blanking them. And not just him, others too in my circles. And not just from the Remain side either, there's also Brexit voters who'll get riled up if you try to argue the other way. It's like they're in the throes of a passion. This is my personal experience, and it's mirrored in reports from for example two papers from both sides of the spectrum:

The Brexit row is pulling friendships and families apart

Family rifts over Brexit: ‘I can barely look at my parents’


Regarding Obama:

Obama had three of the most retweeted tweets of 2017. Trump didn't make the top 10

A little cult-of-personality building up there.

 

[Blues Harp]

The Brownshirts are reaching out to recruit and learn from even further right thugs.

UKIP FORMS ALLIANCE WITH HOOLIGAN-LED STREET MOVEMENTS

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2018/03/06/ukip-forms-alliance-hooligan-led-street-movements/

The crisis-struck party has reached peak desperation, attempting to recruit – and allegedly consulting – members of the hooligan-led Football Lads Alliance (FLA) and its offshoots.

That pond life alleged kopite ukip leader was a football hooligan wasn't he? Paul Nuttall?

 

[tsubaki]

There's an equivalent out there for the uni-educated left-wing with entries like "obsessed with Boris Johnson/Trump", "thinks Obama was the messiah" & "literally hates people who voted Brexit, even from their own family" etc

The difference of course being that the stereotypical right wingers views are less grounded in reality than the stereotypical left winger's one.

I mean take Boris for example - he did literally waste forty six million pound on a bridge that wasn't needed, wasn't wanted, which wouldn't have been open to the public for quite a bit of the time and which wasn't even built. His public utterances over Nazanin, about Liverpool, about Africans and about various other things have not been made up, he did actually say or write those things. His repeated statements during the referendum campaign over Brexit were fibs. He did wave dozens of new developments through in London whilst getting no affordable housing in exchange.

 

[Lord Buckethead]

That pond life alleged kopite ukip leader was a football hooligan wasn't he? Paul Nuttall?

I think so, in between being the first man on the moon and inventing the limpet mine.

 

[dholliday]

The difference of course being that the stereotypical right wingers views are less grounded in reality than the stereotypical left winger's one.

Well, you would say that wouldn't you? lol

Ask someone from the Right tribe if they think the Left's views are less grounded in reality than their own. You know the response.

You can't both be right.

I mean take Boris for example - he did literally waste forty six million pound on a bridge that wasn't needed, wasn't wanted, which wouldn't have been open to the public for quite a bit of the time and which wasn't even built.

Remember this? It cost over a billion pounds and was a symbolic Blair-era project (even if its genesis was in John Mayor's time).

The obvious point being politicians have always wasted public money...it's nothing specific to any ideology.

His public utterances over Nazanin, about Liverpool, about Africans and about various other things have not been made up, he did actually say or write those things. His repeated statements during the referendum campaign over Brexit were fibs. He did wave dozens of new developments through in London whilst getting no affordable housing in exchange.

Of course he says loads of nonsense things. It's Boris Johnson lol Do you remember Peter Mandelson? Alastair Campbell? They also talked a lot of nonsense, some of it turned out to be very dangerous nonsense.

 

[tsubaki]

Well, you would say that wouldn't you? lol

Ask someone from the Right tribe if they think the Left's views are less grounded in reality than their own. You know the response.

You can't both be right.

I know, I wasn't saying they were correct. The British right wing has had repeated goes at ruining the country down the years.

Remember this? It cost over a billion pounds and was a symbolic Blair-era project (even if its genesis was in John Mayor's time).

The obvious point being politicians have always wasted public money...it's nothing specific to any ideology.

Of course he says loads of nonsense things. It's Boris Johnson lol Do you remember Peter Mandelson? Alastair Campbell? They also talked a lot of nonsense, some of it turned out to be very dangerous nonsense.

er - all the people (apart from Boris) you named are centrists, the sort of people you were praising in that "the new middle" thread of yours. That they threw millions / billions away in the same way as Boris and his ilk have should perhaps indicate to people what centrists actually stand for, and what their relationship with the right is.

 

[dholliday]

The British right wing has had repeated goes at ruining the country down the years.

Not doing a good job, are they? Britain's doing pretty well these days, must be thanks to the centre-left faction of the Tory government.

er - all the people (apart from Boris) you named are centrists, the sort of people you were praising in that "the new middle" thread of yours. That they threw millions / billions away in the same way as Boris and his ilk have should perhaps indicate to people what centrists actually stand for, and what their relationship with the right is.

Tying yourself in knots here.

 

[tsubaki]

Not doing a good job, are they? Britain's doing pretty well these days, must be thanks to the centre-left faction of the Tory government.

Sorry, what?

Tying yourself in knots here.

Again, what? You can't praise centrism and then call the biggest centrist of the past forty years left-wing.

 

[dholliday]

A little cognitive dissonance going on here...

Sorry, what?

Say what you mean. I think Britain is doing very well relative to the rest of the world. That's probably thanks to the mentality of its people and the organisational qualities of the dominant force in its politics: the Tories, tempered every 20 years or so with a Labour government to keep everyone on their toes.

I take it you don't agree seen as you think the same government are somehow intent on "ruining the country". How's that going? Is the country ruined? Have you ever been outside Europe?

Different perspectives, I guess.

Again, what? You can't praise centrism and then call the biggest centrist of the past forty years left-wing.

Who are you talking about? Mandelson or Campbell? They were big cheeses in the Labour government who supported the invasion of Iraq which led to the deaths of millions (if you also include all the post-strife which is still going on today).

And anyway in the New Middle thread I'm talking about the new middle (hence the title), I'm talking about the ability to understand both sides. I'm not praising every person who might identify with that, but I am saying he might be worth listening to.

 

[tsubaki]

Say what you mean. I think Britain is doing very well relative to the rest of the world. That's probably thanks to the mentality of its people and the organisational qualities of the dominant force in its politics: the Tories, tempered every 20 years or so with a Labour government to keep everyone on their toes.

I take it you don't agree seen as you think the same government are somehow intent on "ruining the country". How's that going? Is the country ruined? Have you ever been outside Europe?

Of course the country has been ruined. When the modern Tory Party came into being, this was the greatest country on earth. A hundred and eighty-odd years of mostly Tory rule later and everything has gone, been sold or been part-exed and even the likes of Scotland tried to make off. They even bear some of the blame for the mess that exists beyond these islands. When the Gibbon of the fourth millenium comes to write The Decline and Fall of the British Empire, Toryism will bear the brunt of the blame.

Who are you talking about? Mandelson or Campbell? They were big cheeses in the Labour government who supported the invasion of Iraq which led to the deaths of millions (if you also include all the post-strife which is still going on today).

And anyway in the New Middle thread I'm talking about the new middle (hence the title), I'm talking about the ability to understand both sides. I'm not praising every person who might identify with that, but I am saying he might be worth listening to.

You mentioned three politicians, all of them centrists who did precisely what you claim your "new" middle is about. You know exactly who I am talking about, hence your avoidance.