dholliday
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What avoidance? And what did they precisely do what the new middle is about? And since when is Boris Johnson a centrist and Alastair Campbell a politician? The only other name I mentioned was Mandelson.
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What avoidance? And what did they precisely do what the new middle is about? And since when is Boris Johnson a centrist and Alastair Campbell a politician? The only other name I mentioned was Mandelson.
tsubaki
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Wrong - I'll embolden the relevant parts where you mentioned them for you (as a sop I'll leave out "John Mayor"):
Remember this? It cost over a billion pounds and was a symbolic Blair-era project (even if its genesis was in John Mayor's time).
The obvious point being politicians have always wasted public money...it's nothing specific to any ideology.
Of course he says loads of nonsense things. It's Boris Johnson lol Do you remember Peter Mandelson? Alastair Campbell? They also talked a lot of nonsense, some of it turned out to be very dangerous nonsense
Again, the three of them - Blair, Mandelson, Campbell are and were all centrists, espousing policies that you have celebrated on that thread.
dholliday
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Mentioning the Blair-era is not the same as evoking the man Tony Blair. And which policies have I celebrated? You mean the paid-for training courses? Ok, but I don't get your point. I can obviously praise one facet of New Labour while criticising another. That is what the new middle is all about.
I honestly think you've trapped yourself in some weird tribal bubble and can't think your way out of it. Bit like Cathy Newman in that interview. You've always posted really good stuff on GOT normally...those tribal-loyalties run deep, man.
lol
Remember this? It cost over a billion pounds and was a symbolic Blair-era project (even if its genesis was in John Mayor's time).
£789 million, most of which was paid for by national lottery grants, the rest from ticket sales.
dholliday
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over a billion in todays' money, and most of it paid for by the working class (as who else buys lottery tickets?).
a colossal waste of public money. and i say that as someone who enjoyed a day out there.
Over a billion in today's money lol.
Nobody has to play the lottery, it's not a tax. I'd consider myself working class and I don't play it, never have. The mrs does though tbf.
It was a white elephant for sure though. Should never have been built.
tsubaki
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It wasn't, but its not like the reason it got better was because of the Tories.
dholliday
deconstructed rep
adjusted for inflation is the done thing when talking about older sums, blue.
the lottery is a stealth tax for the worker class. sure it's an optional one and if you're very lucky you get more back then you put in, but i'm not the only one calling it a tax, it's an age-old debate for lotteries all over the world.
the dome was a nice idea, just should never have been publicly-funded or the entry should've been free (like the Tate galleries mostly are).
Socrates
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Ironically, it was right wing (or neo-liberal) policies that brought down the last labour government.
An illegal war, PFI contracts and NHS trusts, tuition fees for higher education and worst of all the de-regulation of financial markets which crashed the economy and led to the bank bail-out that enabled the Tories to finish the job of Victorianising the UK under the guise of "austerity".
Even Theresa May can see the current model of capitalism is failing and has stolen 3 policies from Ed Miliband already, branded as "Stalinist" in the right wing press only 3 years ago:
1. The capping of energy prices.
2. The removal of planning permission or compulsory purchase of land being landbanked to boost big developer profits.
3. And the latest suggestion of an asset tax to redistribute funds to the millennial generation to help them afford homes of their own.
That same press now describe those policies as "Brave, challenging and in the interests of honest, working people."
Basically, when unfettered capitalism affects their voters in their heartlands, a little bit of socialism is useful after all.
Perhaps, just perhaps, a few more socialist policies might be even better for the country.
However, socialism is dangerous isn't it?
An illegal war, PFI contracts and NHS trusts, tuition fees for higher education and worst of all the de-regulation of financial markets which crashed the economy and led to the bank bail-out that enabled the Tories to finish the job of Victorianising the UK under the guise of "austerity".
Even Theresa May can see the current model of capitalism is failing and has stolen 3 policies from Ed Miliband already, branded as "Stalinist" in the right wing press only 3 years ago:
1. The capping of energy prices.
2. The removal of planning permission or compulsory purchase of land being landbanked to boost big developer profits.
3. And the latest suggestion of an asset tax to redistribute funds to the millennial generation to help them afford homes of their own.
That same press now describe those policies as "Brave, challenging and in the interests of honest, working people."
Basically, when unfettered capitalism affects their voters in their heartlands, a little bit of socialism is useful after all.
Perhaps, just perhaps, a few more socialist policies might be even better for the country.
However, socialism is dangerous isn't it?
Minor point, but this would imply, as per the article you posted, that some kid who wanted Wendy's chicken nuggets would also have quite a large CoP building up as well. And I don't think CoP applies here, since it would involve Obama manipulating and controling retweets to enhance his own image, which he obviously has no control over. He was popular among folks. People miss him. He has 2x the followers of Trump on twitter and is more likely to get retweeted because of that alone. I don't think one can read much more into it than that.
dholliday
deconstructed rep
agree, but I was more highlighting how the media paint Obama vs Trump (i.e. the former is the messiah). which admittedly isn't a hard sell as the contrast in charm, thoughtfulness & intellect between the two is huge.
when it comes to policies however there's less of a gap.
I think it simply boils down to the message. One is filled with positivity and hope. Another is filled with 'look at me'.
Policy wise it's progress vs regress in the big picture. I wonder how well Trump would be doing if he inherited an economy on the verge of collapse?
GBH73
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This must be some new usage of the phrase 'doing pretty well' that I'm unfamiliar with. How come there's food banks and homeless people freezing on the streets?
zzr45
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This is the only country with these problems. We should disband immediately.
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