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[Clint Planet]

How black women's bodies are violated as soon as they enter school
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...filing?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Open your eyes, White America. If you're not protesting against all of this then you are unwittingly colluding in it.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Heather's parents are amazing role models

 

[RaleighBlue]

Maybe you should meet (more?) Centrists. Not affirming a left or right party doesn't mean they have no view on issues, especially identity politics. I've only ever met Republicans who supported or deflected from issues of white terrorism and Nazis. Never Centrists.

The problem is your language is out of date. The needle has moved hard to the Right is the halls of power - and I don't just mean the literal Nazi apologist in office.

Old republicans now call themselves 'centrists' while decrying BLM and 'antifa'. The old centrists fit best with the official Democratic Party - economically conservative, socially 'liberal' (but really moderate).

There is no center in this particular case - you are pro-nazi or anti-nazi.

 

[Clint Planet]

There is no center in this particular case - you are pro-nazi or anti-nazi.

..and saying they're all as bad as each other is being a Nazi apologist which is, effectively, pro-Nazi.

 

[SerenityNigh]

The problem is your language is out of date. The needle has moved hard to the Right is the halls of power - and I don't just mean the literal Nazi apologist in office.

Old republicans now call themselves 'centrists' while decrying BLM and 'antifa'. The old centrists fit best with the official Democratic Party - economically conservative, socially 'liberal' (but really moderate).

There is no center in this particular case - you are pro-nazi or anti-nazi.

My apologies for not towing any mainline party platforms. Racists, Nazis, Southern Nation, Kekistanis, and all others like these can GTF. If you want me to take a label, call me a Blue Dog.

 

[SerenityNigh]

The problem is your language is out of date. The needle has moved hard to the Right is the halls of power - and I don't just mean the literal Nazi apologist in office.

Old republicans now call themselves 'centrists' while decrying BLM and 'antifa'. The old centrists fit best with the official Democratic Party - economically conservative, socially 'liberal' (but really moderate).

There is no center in this particular case - you are pro-nazi or anti-nazi.

More importantly, this is the madness of identity politics. If you bow before it, you subject yourself to the same madness as terrorists and the less violent idiots.

 

[Tubey]

More importantly, this is the madness of identity politics. If you bow before it, you subject yourself to the same madness as terrorists and the less violent idiots.

It's not about identity politics beyond either supporting or decrying actual Nazis.

What @RaleighBlue is saying is the opposite of identity politics - there's no centre-left, centre-right etc. - it's more of a moral identity. You either support actual Nazis or you don't.

 

[SerenityNigh]

It's not about identity politics beyond either supporting or decrying actual Nazis.

What @RaleighBlue is saying is the opposite of identity politics - there's no centre-left, centre-right etc. - it's more of a moral identity. You either support actual Nazis or you don't.

Agreed, but when you conflate this with other definitions, confusing "centrist" with "Nazi sympathizer," you muddy the waters because you've aborted the accepted definitions.

And maybe the definitions have changed, like Raleigh said, because meanings do change and I'm not always aware, but centrists, as a non-party group that identify with a certain set of political views, which have nothing to do with Nazism. (Although I suspect few Centrists have any support for Nazism, etc).

 

[BlueLlama]

Worth a watch if you have any doubt at all where the real evil comes from. Beware if you are squeamish there's footage of the car ploughing through the crowd.

 

[RaleighBlue]

Agreed, but when you conflate this with other definitions, confusing "centrist" with "Nazi sympathizer," you muddy the waters because you've aborted the accepted definitions.

And maybe the definitions have changed, like Raleigh said, because meanings do change and I'm not always aware, but centrists, as a non-party group that identify with a certain set of political views, which have nothing to do with Nazism. (Although I suspect few Centrists have any support for Nazism, etc).

Yes, but you're attempting to fight reality with theory.

'Centrist' would mean somewhere in the middle - the middle of what? It's undefined. It's an ethos of nonaction. It's taking the middle road - by definition. However, there IS no middle road here. You are either Pro-Nazi, or Anti-Nazi. Being in the middle is being realisitically pro-Nazi, since their agenda depends on inaction by the majority.

Centrist is meaningless fence-sitterism. Have an ethos, man. 'Centrists' are not a party, nor do they have any defined platform.

You're looking for the term 'moderate' which means to take things slowly and in moderation. 'Centrism' is based upon the playing field which is currently being played on the extreme right wing. So to take the 'centrist' view between literal Sieg Heiling Nazi's and people saying systemic racism is a bad thing is either cowardice or implicit support for the bad guys.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Yes, but you're attempting to fight reality with theory.

'Centrist' would mean somewhere in the middle - the middle of what? It's undefined. It's an ethos of nonaction. It's taking the middle road - by definition. However, there IS no middle road here. You are either Pro-Nazi, or Anti-Nazi. Being in the middle is being realisitically pro-Nazi, since their agenda depends on inaction by the majority.

Centrist is meaningless fence-sitterism. Have an ethos, man. 'Centrists' are not a party, nor do they have any defined platform.

You're looking for the term 'moderate' which means to take things slowly and in moderation. 'Centrism' is based upon the playing field which is currently being played on the extreme right wing. So to take the 'centrist' view between literal Sieg Heiling Nazi's and people saying systemic racism is a bad thing is either cowardice or implicit support for the bad guys.

Centrists is a long-defined political term, and although it has quite a bit of overlap, it's different from moderate. Some centrists are not moderates, and vice versa, but in today's climate they have more in common than either party.

The difference between the two is probably similar to precision and accuracy, which are not at all the same but often conflated because people desire both.

That said, you can be centrist and quite immoderate

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[RAFUH]

Posted this in the Trump thread...meant to put it here

 

[RAFUH]

 

[Clint Planet]

How black women's bodies are violated as soon as they enter school
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...filing?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Open your eyes, White America. If you're not protesting against all of this then you are unwittingly colluding in it.

Dashcam video shows police sexually assaulted Texas woman, lawyer says
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-video?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

BLM. Because you kind of get the impression that the Police don't think they do.....

 

[RaleighBlue]

Centrists is a long-defined political term, and although it has quite a bit of overlap, it's different from moderate. Some centrists are not moderates, and vice versa, but in today's climate they have more in common than either party.

The difference between the two is probably similar to precision and accuracy, which are not at all the same but often conflated because people desire both.

That said, you can be centrist and quite immoderate

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Yes, but that's precisely what I was saying:
"Centrist has a real meaning, it means "close to the political center.""

The political center is now on the right wing. And in regards to race relations vis a vis the centers of power, the extreme right wing. People that ARE nazi apologists are calling themselves 'centrist' because they are busy painting Black Lives Matter, and AntiFa (which only exists as a reactionary force) as moral equivalents to Nazi's (I keep looking for a synonym here, but they're all just euphemisms, these people are Nazi's).

Moderates, legit moderates, actually have very LITTLE in common with centrists right now. Why? Because the fight is largely between common average leftists (with a small smattering of the more extreme leftists, but to be fair, extreme leftists are pretty marginalized) and Nazi's. Any sane moderate sees that siding with Nazi's is...well, it doesn't matter in a political context - they're Nazi's, and frankly that should be enough justification to oppose them for anyone with any shred of decency or knowledge of history.

Condemning a ideologically violent racist force as the equivalent of a largely ideologically nonviolent political force is just apologism, no matter what words you couch it in. Currently it's being couched as 'centrism', and thus 'centrists' are being pulled in. You want to not be a Nazi apologist? It's easy! You can disagree with BLM (though I have yet to see an intelligently argued reason against that group) while still seeing that there is a fundamental difference between them and Adolf Hitler worshiping white supremacists.

I.E. If you try and find a center between 'Kill all non-whites and Jews' and 'We deserve civil rights', well, you're pro-Nazi.