The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[neonleon]

how many of them have had a failed ground move? how many of them had an opportunity like kings dock?

Before I address those questions can you at least agree that those clubs were run worse than Everton.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Kenwright picked Moyes. Great.

Now you have the floor to yourself to compile a list of his and the board's other achievements from December 1999 to the present.

Posted more than 3 hours ago and no attempt to respond to it.

(****e about Mr X excepted)

 

[sirblue57]

Davek el al argument rests n the assumption that the board is intrinsically evil. If you acknowledge ANY good that they have done it undermines this flawed argument.

I strongly believe that the majority of Evertonians, the majority, would be happy to cast the board as people who have tried their best, have fecked up on many occasions, but they are not intricately evil, though not the long term solution for our club. In short I believe that Evertonians will see the good that they have sought to bring (sacking Smith and brining in Moyes rather than sticking with Smith, no matter what) and acknowledge the wrong they have done. They take a level headed view unlike the Davek's of this world who resort to calling our manager an Uncle Tom and a Prick.

That alone should tell you how vacuous his argument is.

i was one of those who lauded BK when he ousted johnson, i was proud to have a blue in charge of the club. then the rot set in.
NTL
FSF
KD
DK
the list just keeps growing, lack of growth, increase of debt. lies/spin/misinformation, i really dont care how other clubs are run. the one i care about is in terminal decline without help. BK is not the one to do it, none of the board are interested enough. should we just wait until we implode?
you can argue all you want, BUT, even BK himself has admitted he cannot take the club to the next level. moyes can only do so much. the longer we wait the worse things will get.IMO.

 

[neonleon]

Posted more than 3 hours ago and no attempt to respond to it.

(****e about Mr X excepted)

Sigh.

Kenwright and the board have managed the club and done their best within restricted circumstances to provide what limited funds they can to Moyes. They have - as an ongoing dynamic relationship - given Moyes exclusive say on footballing matters. It is this platform of stability that has enabled Moyes to do what he does, and he regularly attributes credit to Kenwright and the board on this matter.

We've got a new training ground, a new store and another purpose built building on the way to house a club shop, museum and offices - further allowing development of the corporate facilities in goodison.

It is of course not good enough; we all agree on that. The club needs money for new signings and to reduce the debt. It needs a new stadium. All things Kenwright has failed to do in a mixture of bustle, bluster and bogus propaganda.

We need new owners and in the meantime (as there's a recession on and there are not many buyers and Everton aren't the attractive proposition most people think) we should fight for transparency and voice for the fans.

But just because some people want to draw horns on pictures of Kenwright, it doesn't make him the devil.

And if a buyer arrives with a stack of cash it doesn't make him the messiah either.

 

[sirblue57]

Before I address those questions can you at least agree that those clubs were run worse than Everton.

in what way? missing investment opportunities? no. lack of vision? can their vision be compared to evertons? forgetting to cash cheques before spending money? i cant say on that. lying about investment?(FSF) again, cant comment on that.

 

[neonleon]

in what way? missing investment opportunities? no. lack of vision? can their vision be compared to evertons? forgetting to cash cheques before spending money? i cant say on that. lying about investment?(FSF) again, cant comment on that.

How about bottom line.

All those clubs went into administration.
Everton isn't facing administration.
Whilst our debt has increased, its along the lines of many clubs who have increased their debts. United are 700 million in debt I read recently. We should monitor it, but its not unsustainable in the short term, albeit worrying in the long term.

Turnover increased by more than 5% last year. We made an operating profit of 6.3 million excluding player trading according to some reports and it was only amortisation of the squad that put that into an overall loss of 6.7m

Yes the FSF was a debacle. I won't defend that.

 

[Neiler]

Save us all:

 

[neonleon]

Save us all:

Mr X and Martin Jol. Dream team.

 

[Neiler]

Mr X and Martin Jol. Dream team.

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[davek]

Oh look - hilarious cartoons where an argument should be.

Says it all.

 

[Neiler]

Oh look - hilarious cartoons where an argument should be.

Says it all.

Ace Aviator BTW!

 

[davek]

Sigh.

Kenwright and the board have managed the club and done their best within restricted circumstances to provide what limited funds they can to Moyes. They have - as an ongoing dynamic relationship - given Moyes exclusive say on footballing matters. It is this platform of stability that has enabled Moyes to do what he does, and he regularly attributes credit to Kenwright and the board on this matter.

We've got a new training ground, a new store and another purpose built building on the way to house a club shop, museum and offices - further allowing development of the corporate facilities in goodison.

It is of course not good enough; we all agree on that. The club needs money for new signings and to reduce the debt. It needs a new stadium. All things Kenwright has failed to do in a mixture of bustle, bluster and bogus propaganda.

We need new owners and in the meantime (as there's a recession on and there are not many buyers and Everton aren't the attractive proposition most people think) we should fight for transparency and voice for the fans.

But just because some people want to draw horns on pictures of Kenwright, it doesn't make him the devil.

And if a buyer arrives with a stack of cash it doesn't make him the messiah either.

Lol!

We have nothing of the kind. They're all owned and leased to Everton by other parties.

Right...so we've established Kenwright hired Moyes....back to the drawing board for those other...*coughs*...achievements.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Sigh.

Kenwright and the board have managed the club and done their best (which is abysmal irrespective of it being their best)
within restricted circumstances to provide what limited funds they can to Moyes (i.e. none - nil net spend etc)
They have - as an ongoing dynamic lol relationship - given Moyes exclusive say on footballing matters (should give him say on financial matters as well because they are clearly ****ing clueless)
It is this platform of stability (not financial stability, we sell to buy....the only stability at this club is the longevity of the manager) that has enabled Moyes to do what he does, and
he regularly attributes credit to Kenwright and the board on this matter (in return for 60K per week).

We've got (aka lease, the assets have been disposed of) a new training ground, a new store and
another purpose built building on the way to house a club shop, museum and offices (inexplicably delayed) - further allowing development of the corporate facilities in goodison (aka tent/marquee).

It is of course not good enough; we all agree on that (but create arguments that Pol Pot etc would do a worse job). The club needs money for new signings and to reduce the debt. It needs a new stadium (Kings Dock). All things Kenwright has failed to do in a mixture of bustle, bluster and bogus propaganda (criminal ineptitude).

We need new owners and in the meantime (as there's a recession on there are not many buyers and Everton aren't the attractive proposition most people think - at the price being asked) we should fight for transparency and voice for the fans (AGMs).

But just because some people want to draw horns on pictures of Kenwright, it doesn't make him the devil (just a ****e chairman).

And if a buyer arrives with a stack of cash it doesn't make him the messiah either (it will take cash now as this board has squandered a litter of chances to improve the finances).

"It will take Mr X only he can save us."

 

[davek]

Mr X any day of the week over Mr No Plan B.



*walks away pleased with himself*

 

[neonleon]

Mr X any day of the week over Mr No Plan B.



*walks away pleased with himself*

Same as you'll take fantasy over reality any day of the week.