The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[BlackToffee]

i have never said sell to the first bidder, i want bill to actually put the club up for sale and employ someone to do it, someone the supporters can see and believe, is doing the job. my problem with BK came around DK, im no genius, but to see the flaws in the debacle was to easy. then the lies/spin/misinformation. and since then i have been unable to trust a word he says. As for the AGMs, is it any wonder he wont put himself in a position to be questioned over his accumulated failures, would you?.

tony b off here was the fella that asked him about the sale of the club and bill said he was bored talking about that, tony b and bluefox were both shareholders ask them if bill will talk openly about are club.

Davek et al seem to have implied as much, so I think it is a fair comment to say that you'd sell to the first bidder as no one has made any suggestions about conditionalities, or any concerns about selling, which is where the debate is about. Its not about the selling itself. I think that others are simply trying to point out the dangers so that perhaps we can find some common ground around the issue.

I think that both you and I know why those idiots wanted to call endless EGM's. Let's not try and dignify it with some intellectual hogwash. It was simply to embarass Kenwright and damage the image of the club. Kenwright has made his position with regards to selling quite clear on a number of occasions. I would have done exactly the same given the same context. If I give my explanation, that's my explanation and I wouldn't change it because someone wants to put words in my mouth.

Unfortunately, due to that idiot, we've all lost out, as I would have preferred an AGM to a "fans conference" as a method of accountability. That said, for Keith Harris to disappear for months on end is unacceptable. While we will never know all the details, silence really does help to fuel the conspiracy theorists.

One of the differences with an investment and a takeover is that with the majority of takeovers I've seen, the manager and board tend to leave the club. With investment, the existing structure may remain, though if Kenwright remained in that context I'd want him to be more like Niall Quin, he fronts the owners but has no real power, except persuasion.

I like Kenwright, to me he has brought some stability. People tend to forget that we are not the club who are not the bookies favourite relegation canddiate. We are an acknowledged top six club. He has managed within the confines he finds himsefl, but clearly he is out of his depth. I have no problem with him being associated with the clubin the future but not enough for him to remain as a majority shareholder in the long run.

 

[BlackToffee]

well done, starting a post with the words absolute rubbish.

as for naming a team that has been run in the same manner as Everton, I can name several clubs that have been run much worse.

Portsmouth.

Charlton.

Southampton.

Ipswich.

Hull.

Carlisle.

Barnsley.

Oldham.

Derby.

Leicester.

Chester.

Newport County.

Swansea.

Swindon.

There are many more.

I know we need new owners. Painting the current ones as the anti-christ isn't for me part of the solution.

The list is worth repeating and lets add

Newcastle United.

Case firmly shut.

 

[davek]

That list is an embarrassment.

Not one bears comparison with Everton. Maybe you should include some Blue Square non-league teams too.

 

[neonleon]

That list is an embarrassment.

Not one bears comparison with Everton. Maybe you should include some Blue Square non-league teams too.

That is the point. They were/are run much worse than Everton. Care to dispute that?

 

[davek]

That is the point. They were/are run much worse than Everton. Care to dispute that?

How can you compile a list of those clubs - clubs who'd struggle under any circumstances - and compare them with a club like Everton. It's like comparing Tesco with the Kabin on Coronation Street.

Incredible.

 

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[neonleon]

How can you compile a list of those clubs - clubs who'd struggle under any circumstances - and compare them with a club like Everton. It's like comparing Tesco with the Kabin on Coronation Street.

Incredible.

Sirblue57 asked me to 'name one team thats been bought out that has been as poorly run,financially,as everton'

i named 14. There are more. Others have added to the list. Whether they are pub side or manchester united doesn't matter when the principle is about how a club is financially run. Some of the clubs weren't recent buyouts but the principle remains they had owners that ran their clubs in a financially irresponsible manner. Everton is not run as badly as you imagine, certainly not by the standards of football (although it is by the standards of any other business - the whole footballing world is pretty much insane in that respect). We are not facing administration. All the clubs I mentioned have been in administration. Our debts are getting bigger but our on field assets more than cover them.

By your definition I cannot make any comparison at all because no club is exactly like Everton which of course, being specific is true. Very convenient for your agenda but its prize bollocks nonetheless. I;m really mystified why you would continue with this line of reasoning and argument. It only makes the anti-kenwright faction look more extreme; desperate to frame Kenwright as a villian and any buyer as a saviour regardless of the realities of the world.

But then for me you lost all credibility the minute you cited Paul Gregg as the messianic owner that bully billy ousted. It takes imagination to think we'd be lifting the league title in the kings dock with Gregg at the helm I'll give you that.

 

[BlackToffee]

How can you compile a list of those clubs - clubs who'd struggle under any circumstances - and compare them with a club like Everton. It's like comparing Tesco with the Kabin on Coronation Street.

Incredible.

Yes, go on Davek, why not move the goalpost out the ground will ya.

So, if we have new owners can you guarantee that we will win silverwear then?

 

[neonleon]

Yes, go on Davek, why not move the goalpost out the ground will ya.

So, if we have new owners can you guarantee that we will win silverwear then?

They always guarantee that mate. Its nailed on.

 

[BlackToffee]

Sirblue57 asked me to 'name one team thats been bought out that has been as poorly run,financially,as everton'

i named 14. There are more. Others have added to the list. Whether they are pub side or manchester united doesn't matter when the principle is about how a club is financially run. Some of the clubs weren't recent buyouts but the principle remains they had owners that ran their clubs in a financially irresponsible manner. Everton is not run as badly as you imagine, certainly not by the standards of football (although it is by the standards of any other business - the whole footballing world is pretty much insane in that respect). We are not facing administration. All the clubs I mentioned have been in administration. Our debts are getting bigger but our on field assets more than cover them.

By your definition I cannot make any comparison at all because no club is exactly like Everton which of course, being specific is true. Very convenient for your agenda but its prize bollocks nonetheless. I;m really mystified why you would continue with this line of reasoning and argument. It only makes the anti-kenwright faction look more extreme; desperate to frame Kenwright as a villian and any buyer as a saviour regardless of the realities of the world.

But then for me you lost all credibility the minute you cited Paul Gregg as the messianic owner that bully billy ousted. It takes imagination to think we'd be lifting the league title in the kings dock with Gregg at the helm I'll give you that.

Davek el al argument rests n the assumption that the board is intrinsically evil. If you acknowledge ANY good that they have done it undermines this flawed argument.

I strongly believe that the majority of Evertonians, the majority, would be happy to cast the board as people who have tried their best, have fecked up on many occasions, but they are not intricately evil, though not the long term solution for our club. In short I believe that Evertonians will see the good that they have sought to bring (sacking Smith and brining in Moyes rather than sticking with Smith, no matter what) and acknowledge the wrong they have done. They take a level headed view unlike the Davek's of this world who resort to calling our manager an Uncle Tom and a Prick.

That alone should tell you how vacuous his argument is.

 

[davek]

Davek el al argument rests n the assumption that the board is intrinsically evil. If you acknowledge ANY good that they have done it undermines this flawed argument.

I strongly believe that the majority of Evertonians, the majority, would be happy to cast the board as people who have tried their best, have fecked up on many occasions, but they are not intricately evil, though not the long term solution for our club. In short I believe that Evertonians will see the good that they have sought to bring (sacking Smith and brining in Moyes rather than sticking with Smith, no matter what) and acknowledge the wrong they have done. They take a level headed view unlike the Davek's of this world who resort to calling our manager an Uncle Tom and a Prick.

That alone should tell you how vacuous his argument is.

Kenwright picked Moyes. Great.

Now you have the floor to yourself to compile a list of his and the board's other achievements from December 1999 to the present.

 

[davek]

Sirblue57 asked me to 'name one team thats been bought out that has been as poorly run,financially,as everton'

i named 14. There are more. Others have added to the list. Whether they are pub side or manchester united doesn't matter when the principle is about how a club is financially run. Some of the clubs weren't recent buyouts but the principle remains they had owners that ran their clubs in a financially irresponsible manner. Everton is not run as badly as you imagine, certainly not by the standards of football (although it is by the standards of any other business - the whole footballing world is pretty much insane in that respect). We are not facing administration. All the clubs I mentioned have been in administration. Our debts are getting bigger but our on field assets more than cover them.

By your definition I cannot make any comparison at all because no club is exactly like Everton which of course, being specific is true. Very convenient for your agenda but its prize bollocks nonetheless. I;m really mystified why you would continue with this line of reasoning and argument. It only makes the anti-kenwright faction look more extreme; desperate to frame Kenwright as a villian and any buyer as a saviour regardless of the realities of the world.

But then for me you lost all credibility the minute you cited Paul Gregg as the messianic owner that bully billy ousted. It takes imagination to think we'd be lifting the league title in the kings dock with Gregg at the helm I'll give you that.

This board of directors have put Everton in so much debt no bank will touch the club with a 20 foot long shitty stick when it comes to credit...the reverse in fact: they're falling over themselves getting to the head of the queue to get what's owed to them from Everton...such is the measure of how lame the club is run in terms of creating and managing its own finances. The Everton auditors - in an effort to secure the club's overdraft facility on a six monthly basis - signed the last accounts off reassuring the club's principal debtors that everything is on the table for a sale if things go even more wrong than they have at present.

Nevermind, though, at least we're not Hull, Carlisle, Barnsley, Oldham, Derby, Leicester, Chester, Newport County, Swansea, Swindon....

 

[neonleon]

Davek el al argument rests n the assumption that the board is intrinsically evil. If you acknowledge ANY good that they have done it undermines this flawed argument.

I strongly believe that the majority of Evertonians, the majority, would be happy to cast the board as people who have tried their best, have fecked up on many occasions, but they are not intricately evil, though not the long term solution for our club. In short I believe that Evertonians will see the good that they have sought to bring (sacking Smith and brining in Moyes rather than sticking with Smith, no matter what) and acknowledge the wrong they have done. They take a level headed view unlike the Davek's of this world who resort to calling our manager an Uncle Tom and a Prick.

That alone should tell you how vacuous his argument is.

Jesus BT, you're on fire today.

Keep posting.

 

[neonleon]

This board of directors have put Everton in so much debt no bank will touch the club with a 20 foot long shitty stick when it comes to credit...the reverse in fact: they're falling over themselves getting to the head of the queue to get what's owed to them from Everton...such is the measure of how lame the club is run in terms of creating and managing its own finances. The Everton auditors - in an effort to secure the club's overdraft facility on a six monthly basis - signed the last accounts off reassuring the club's principal debtors that everything is on the table for a sale if things go even more wrong than they have at present.

Nevermind, though, at least we're not Hull, Carlisle, Barnsley, Oldham, Derby, Leicester, Chester, Newport County, Swansea, Swindon....

Compared with the potential new owner, international mystery man, Mr X.

He'll ride in on a winged unicorn. Build us a 90k stadium out of sapphires that levitates above Goodison on the end of a rainbow. Then he'll buy half the barca team and cherry pick a world eleven of the greatest players. Season tickets will be £80 and the bogs will flush with champagne.

The final flourish will be a golden spike as tall as the clouds with Kenwright's head on it and all the children will learn the name of the Everton bogeyman, and shudder in fear at the dark days of finishing in the top seven, having one of the best managers in the world and being run relatively compentently in comparison to most other clubs.

 

[BlackToffee]

Compared with the potential new owner, international mystery man, Mr X.

He'll ride in on a winged unicorn. Build us a 90k stadium out of sapphires that levitates above Goodison on the end of a rainbow. Then he'll buy half the barca team and cherry pick a world eleven of the greatest players. Season tickets will be £80 and the bogs will flush with champagne.

The final flourish will be a golden spike as tall as the clouds with Kenwright's head on it and all the children will learn the name of the Everton bogeyman, and shudder in fear at the dark days of finishing in the top seven, having one of the best managers in the world and being run relatively compentently in comparison to most other clubs.

What he's gonna make the bog flush?

Feck off Kenwright , get Mr X in NOW

Neon lad, still haven't worked out this rep thing, so a positive public rep to you.