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[Bruce Wayne]

er - there really is a housing shortage here, as well as problems with capacity in health, education and quite a few other sectors. That isn't the fault of migrants so much as successive governments, but it does exist and pretending it doesn't (and that those risking a channel crossing in a dinghy have factored that in) is a bit mad.

As for the rest - I don't mean vetting, but I do mean getting people here to understand and approve of what you said you wanted to do before going ahead and doing it. I'd have thought that was obvious?

In pretty much every country around the world migrants generate more for the public purse than they cost, so maybe, just maybe, they would help.

As I said to Ash recently, if the fertility rate rose by a percent or two and we had a few hundred thousand extra babies, no one would have exestential wrangling about being over capacity.

The UK population has over doubled since passports and border controls were introduced. Society adapts. Indeed it thrives.

 

[Bluerover]

The last I checked France was not a prison so people are free to leave it.

Bruce mate, afaik from memory, under the Convention refugees must be dealt with by the first signatory state into which they arrive. France certainly did not do this with asylum seekers in the 2000s, but just passed them on to other countries.

 

[peteblue]

They are … if they report to the authorities on arrival

Christ, we can’t even go to Wales now without paying a tourist tax, and we own it…..

 

[Charro]

So we have a situation where actual refugees, say from Ukraine, have to go through various hoops to get here, but economic migrants who give cash to criminals can just waltz in via a boat and jump the legal queue….does that sound either fair or Christian, Bruce…..

What do you mean by skipping the legal queue?

It is incredibly difficult for refugees from the Middle East to be re-settled and set on the legal path to settlement.

 

[peteblue]

Bruce mate, afaik from memory, under the Convention refugees must be dealt with by the first signatory state into which they arrive. France certainly did not do this with asylum seekers in the 2000s, but just passed them on to other countries.

Indeed, the EU has been disgraceful in this respect……

 

[peteblue]

What do you mean by skipping the legal queue?

It is incredibly difficult for refugees from the Middle East to be re-settled and set on the legal path to settlement.

Did you even see the map where the ‘boat people’ come from….

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Of course they are, but they are not just allowed to enter any other country in the world just by turning up…..

If one is claiming asylum, that is precisely what you can do

The truth about… refugees

Europe’s refugee crisis is getting worse, and if you listen to government ministers and many other political commentators, constitutes a dire threat.

www.amnesty.org.uk

Entering the UK to claim asylum

If you are in danger in your country of origin or residence, and you want the UK to grant you international protection, you can claim asylum when you are in the UK.

righttoremain.org.uk

The Refugee Crisis | Understand Refugee Facts | Care4Calais

Understand The Refugee Crisis with our resource of facts and information. Learn how best to take action and help refugees.

care4calais.org

It really is a shame that you don't make even the slightest effort to educate yourself on this matter, and perhaps you could start by understanding the journey people take to even get to Calais. Your remark about them "waltzing up and getting in a boat" is about the most insulting thing I've ever seen you write on here, and there has been a bloody long list.

 

[Charro]

Did you even see the map where the ‘boat people’ come from….

Wot?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bruce mate, afaik from memory, under the Convention refugees must be dealt with by the first signatory state into which they arrive. France certainly did not do this with asylum seekers in the 2000s, but just passed them on to other countries.

You're mistaken I'm afraid. International law says there is no requirement for people to stay in the "first safe country" they enter.

 

[Bluerover]

You're mistaken I'm afraid. International law says there is no requirement for people to stay in the "first safe country" they enter.

Perhaps, but waving them through to another State is definitely not in the spirit of the Convention.

Dr Google.....

Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Charro]

No mate. Refugees tend to be families or wives and children. Most arriving by boat are young men and are not refugees. Women and children will be looked after, single men will be flown out. Other refugees (real ones) will be allowed in instead…..

Can you show me where you’re getting that information from?

Will be interesting for me in work you see. I must’ve imagined the thousands upon thousands of male asylum cases I’ve seen over the years.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Perhaps, but waving them through to another State is definitely not in the spirit of the Convention.

Dr Google.....

Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm not sure what it is you're trying to show me here.

The truth about… refugees

Europe’s refugee crisis is getting worse, and if you listen to government ministers and many other political commentators, constitutes a dire threat.

www.amnesty.org.uk

4. There is no legal requirement for a refugee to claim asylum in any particular country​

Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another.

There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive.

 

[CharliePotato]

If one is claiming asylum, that is precisely what you can do

The truth about… refugees

Europe’s refugee crisis is getting worse, and if you listen to government ministers and many other political commentators, constitutes a dire threat.

www.amnesty.org.uk

Entering the UK to claim asylum

If you are in danger in your country of origin or residence, and you want the UK to grant you international protection, you can claim asylum when you are in the UK.

righttoremain.org.uk

The Refugee Crisis | Understand Refugee Facts | Care4Calais

Understand The Refugee Crisis with our resource of facts and information. Learn how best to take action and help refugees.

care4calais.org

It really is a shame that you don't make even the slightest effort to educate yourself on this matter, and perhaps you could start by understanding the journey people take to even get to Calais. Your remark about them "waltzing up and getting in a boat" is about the most insulting thing I've ever seen you write on here, and there has been a bloody long list.

Once they have got to a safe haven like calais why would they then risk their life to get over to somewhere else?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Incidentally

Why accepting refugees is a win-win-win formula | Brookings

Dany Bahar explains how accepting refugees benefits more than just those being resettled.

www.brookings.edu

Migrants and refugees are good for economies

Analysis of 30 years of data from Western Europe refutes suggestions that asylum seekers pose a financial burden.

www.nature.com

Refugees are not a burden but an opportunity - OECD

Data and research on international migration including migration stocks and flows, immigrants in the labour market, integration and discrimination., When nearly a million Vietnamese “boat people” fled their country in the late 1970s and early 1980s and sought refuge elsewhere, they were...

www.oecd.org

 

[Bluerover]

I'm not sure what it is you're trying to show me here.

The truth about… refugees

Europe’s refugee crisis is getting worse, and if you listen to government ministers and many other political commentators, constitutes a dire threat.

www.amnesty.org.uk

Does the same apply to asylum seekers? My memory is certainly not what it was. I have some memory that asylum seekers were to be processed by the first country into which they arrived/ There is a difference between refugee and asylum seeker.