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[Thomasc]

Should we ask Pete if he is an idiot ?

I think Pete will be a big fan of this

 

[Thomasc]

some happy bank holiday reading for our resident Johnson ball bag cleaner Pete. Have fun picking the bones out of this one old chap

 

[summerisle]

Another day, another cock-up.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

That is as bad an idea as this Rwanda idea is, without a much more even and reciprocal world.

Why?

 

[tsubaki]

Why?

For two main reasons - the lack of capacity at almost every level to deal with an influx of people, and also the right that people everywhere have to determine what they are comfortable with and to be involved in managing change (for the resident as well as the immigrant).

Saying to people “you can now go anywhere you want” does nothing when you don’t also ensure that they can live fairly wherever they go and aren’t immediately scapegoated by the worst sort (with all that follows on from that).

 

[Bruce Wayne]

For two main reasons - the lack of capacity at almost every level to deal with an influx of people, and also the right that people everywhere have to determine what they are comfortable with and to be involved in managing change (for the resident as well as the immigrant).

Saying to people “you can now go anywhere you want” does nothing when you don’t also ensure that they can live fairly wherever they go and aren’t immediately scapegoated by the worst sort (with all that follows on from that).

I'm curious what you think the rationale is behind someone choosing to spend large sums of money and often put their own and their loved one's lives at risk to come somewhere? Do you think they do that having stuck a pin in the map and decided on a whim that they fancy the British weather or something? Most evidence strongly shows that people choose a country because family are already there, or at least there is a strong expat community to help them, just as other migrants choose to move having arranged work and a place to live. So if we take that as a given then there is already a carrying capacity factored into people's decisions before they even set foot outside the door. All it takes is to ask yourself what "you" would think about before deciding to move to another country to see this concern about an influx is nonsense and something I'd expect from Farage.

I'm also afraid I have no earthly idea what you mean by "the right that people everywhere have to determine what they are comfortable with and to be involved in managing change (for the resident as well as the immigrant). "

I'm sure you don't mean some kind of vetting process by locals before any horrible foren is allowed to set foot in their idyllic village, but I'm not really sure what else you mean.

 

[peteblue]

You think sending people from Dover to Rwanda where they will have no legal rights or protections is Christian behaviour Pete?

Do you think the EU allowing people to get into boats that travel across the busiest waterway is Christian behaviour ..

 

[peteblue]

You're an expert...on the idiot part

Indeed I am, you are also an idiot. It may well be a wonderful left wing post, but to even suggest that people who vote conservative, for whatever reason, cannot be a Christian is idiotic.…..

 

[peteblue]

Or just let people move where they want to move.

You must live in a rarified parallel universe Bruce. Should the whole world move to the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man, as they are very nice I’m told…it might get a bit crowded though….

 

[tsubaki]

I'm curious what you think the rationale is behind someone choosing to spend large sums of money and often put their own and their loved one's lives at risk to come somewhere? Do you think they do that having stuck a pin in the map and decided on a whim that they fancy the British weather or something? Most evidence strongly shows that people choose a country because family are already there, or at least there is a strong expat community to help them, just as other migrants choose to move having arranged work and a place to live. So if we take that as a given then there is already a carrying capacity factored into people's decisions before they even set foot outside the door. All it takes is to ask yourself what "you" would think about before deciding to move to another country to see this concern about an influx is nonsense and something I'd expect from Farage.

I'm also afraid I have no earthly idea what you mean by "the right that people everywhere have to determine what they are comfortable with and to be involved in managing change (for the resident as well as the immigrant). "

I'm sure you don't mean some kind of vetting process by locals before any horrible foren is allowed to set foot in their idyllic village, but I'm not really sure what else you mean.

er - there really is a housing shortage here, as well as problems with capacity in health, education and quite a few other sectors. That isn't the fault of migrants so much as successive governments, but it does exist and pretending it doesn't (and that those risking a channel crossing in a dinghy have factored that in) is a bit mad.

As for the rest - I don't mean vetting, but I do mean getting people here to understand and approve of what you said you wanted to do before going ahead and doing it. I'd have thought that was obvious?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Do you think the EU allowing people to get into boats that travel across the busiest waterway is Christian behaviour ..

I don’t think you answered the question there Peter. lol

 

[peteblue]

So we have a situation where actual refugees, say from Ukraine, have to go through various hoops to get here, but economic migrants who give cash to criminals can just waltz in via a boat and jump the legal queue….does that sound either fair or Christian, Bruce…..

 

[peteblue]

I don’t think you answered the question there Peter. lol

I think sending them back to a country like France should be what happens, but the fabulous EU doesn’t care what happens to them as long as they go…..

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I think sending them back to a country like France should be what happens, but the fabulous EU doesn’t care what happens to them as long as they go…..

it’s nothing to do with the eu, it’s to do with us, and how we treat most vulnerable

 

[peteblue]

it’s nothing to do with the eu, it’s to do with us, and how we treat most vulnerable

They come from the EU, it’s everything to do with the EU, but for some reason you all give them a free pass. If we put them all on boats and sent them to ROI you’d be up in arms…..