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[NilSatisOptimum]

Agree it should have gone further - 200k would have been my suggestion.

but clearly the absolute poor have benefited here.

Since Social Care isnt under the NHS, there is no single fair system to fund it. Its either tax on the young/poor/workers (delete at will), a tax on your house, or an asset stripping scheme.

Private insurance is really really expensive, and in my experience, estates/heirs are very unhappy at seeing "their" cash being spent.

So the simple solution is to wrap in back into the NHS. Increase income/corporation/IHT tax across the board with the increase ring fenced just for Social Care.

Think it's terrible because a person with modest savings, but owning a house might be forced to sell the property or certainly hand over greater proportion o their assets compared with the person with let's say £1m investment. Of course this suits the Tory shires...

 

[Kev The Rat]

Think it's terrible because a person with modest savings, but owning a house might be forced to sell the property or certainly hand over greater proportion o their assets compared with the person with let's say £1m investment. Of course this suits the Tory shires...

I agree the threshold should be higher - but its better than what we see now, with no cap, forced sales regardless of estate value (23k is basically 0 in my book)

Its basically been an attempt at redistribution via the backdoor, except nothing has been redistributed, its all been swallowed up by the government.

 

[tsubaki]

Like most, and not unreasonably, you assume that social care is all about the elderly.

Frankly, it isnt.

that was a reply to the point kev made, roydo

 

[roydo]

that was a reply to the point kev made, roydo

Yeah, I know. But when the phrase "social care" is used, the default is the elderly in a home. Like I said, its not unreasonable. That is certainly what Johnson was framing his position in today.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I agree the threshold should be higher - but its better than what we see now, with no cap, forced sales regardless of estate value (23k is basically 0 in my book)

Its basically been an attempt at redistribution via the backdoor, except nothing has been redistributed, its all been swallowed up by the government.

But they are still paying a greater proportion of their assets.

 

[Kev The Rat]

But they are still paying a greater proportion of their assets.

Agreed, which is why I think the threshold should be higher - but even so I repeat, this is an improvement over the situation as it is today.

The absolute poor (less than 100k in assets) are off the hook compared to today.

We also know that no ones care costs will be charged at any more than 86k - today the costs are undefined.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Looks like we’ve been conned

Redirect Notice

 

[tsubaki]

Looks like we’ve been conned

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“we’ve”

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Looks like we’ve been conned

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Not unusual to be conned by Boris or the Tories and unravelling policy is de facto in the days after.

 

[Kev The Rat]

“we’ve”

Yes we’ve, unless you think you’re not paying the tax?

 

[tsubaki]

Yes we’ve, unless you think you’re not paying the tax?

Almost everyone apart from you on the thread objected to this for a variety of reasons, so it’s a stretch to say “we’ve” in that context - the only person conned on here by the government was seemingly you.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Almost everyone apart from you on the thread objected to this for a variety of reasons, so it’s a stretch to say “we’ve” in that context - the only person conned on here by the government was seemingly you.

The hypocrisy of the electorate, over successive governments have voted for small government, voted for governments that minimise public services, that has in turn escalated the amount of public provisions that are sourced via private means and now people are up in arms because those private companies charge a lot for things we might need as a public service.

This is it what you get what you voted for...

 

[orchard]

The hypocrisy of the electorate, over successive governments have voted for small government, voted for governments that minimise public services, that has in turn escalated the amount of public provisions that are sourced via private means and now people are up in arms because those private companies charge a lot for things we might need as a public service.

This is it what you get what you voted for...

Nothing quite as stupid as the most frequent lowest common denominator.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Almost everyone apart from you on the thread objected to this for a variety of reasons, so it’s a stretch to say “we’ve” in that context - the only person conned on here by the government was seemingly you.

Not the reason that I am complaining about though - that bombshell has only just been made apparent.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Have to laugh at how Boris is being portrayed as 'Heroic' one front bencher put it as 'Boris will be a God if he gets this through' what they should do is tell it how it is, it's a tax to fund the NHS.

Also, they need to stop using the pandemic as an excuse, they have been in power for 11 years so it's cowardly to now hide behind the pandemic.