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Kev The Rat said:
the poor have been getting screwed in terms of care as well. old grannies selling whatever little they have for shocking, even abusive levels of 'care'

hopefully this will at least stop people having to end up penniless through no fault of their own.
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How is it going to do that? All this plan does is provides financial guarantees to the firms that provide (or want to provide) that "shocking, even abusive levels of care". It also is good news to those whose estates are worth a lot more than £86000, as care costs won't now eat them all up. This does nothing for the poor except cost them money, directly through increased tax and indirectly through the government taking on more of the cost.
 
Charlie Sweet said:
So does anyone think the Tories will get some kickback from today's NI tax rise against their election pledge or is just all lost in covid....?
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All the money raised by this policy in this parliament is to be spent on the NHS. The NHS problem is staff that it relied on for so long are less welcome than Jack the ripper, the immigrant. Throw all the money you like, lack of staff lack of service. Will take years to replace this skill set with British workers.

Social care has again been kicked into the grass until after next election, there is no guarantee the next government will keep the current pledge for social care, recruitment and retention is very challenging now near collapse, due to poor conditions and pay. Don't fix social care don't fix the NHS bed blocking due to unsafe discharge.
 
tsubaki said:
How is it going to do that? All this plan does is provides financial guarantees to the firms that provide (or want to provide) that "shocking, even abusive levels of care". It also is good news to those whose estates are worth a lot more than £86000, as care costs won't now eat them all up. This does nothing for the poor except cost them money, directly through increased tax and indirectly through the government taking on more of the cost.
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Well the poor aren’t now actually paying anything for their own care costs beyond this new tax as presently anyone over the 23,000 threshold has to pay for care from their estate. That shameful obligation will no longer exist.

In my book someone who has a total of around 23k estate would be poor.
 
Kev The Rat said:
Well the poor aren’t actually paying anything for their own care costs beyond this tax and presently anyone over the 23,000 threshold had to pay for care from their estate.

In my book someone who has a total of around 23k estate would be poor.
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They will be paying more than ten grand over their lifetimes, and that is just the direct cost out of their wages under the present proposals. Plus they might not actually need care themselves, or live long enough to get it, or be eligible for whatever the system is going to look like in fifty years.
 
tsubaki said:
They will be paying more than ten grand over their lifetimes, and that is just the direct cost out of their wages under the present proposals. Plus they might not actually need care themselves, or live long enough to get it, or be eligible for whatever the system is going to look like in fifty years.
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10 grand is less than half of 23.

agree the goalposts could move but I’d rather cling to any potential raft than definitely lose the lot in my adage as is the case now.

why should I expect friends and family to look after me in my 80s and 90s?
 
Kev The Rat said:
Well the poor aren’t now actually paying anything for their own care costs beyond this new tax as presently anyone over the 23,000 threshold has to pay for care from their estate. That shameful obligation will no longer exist.

In my book someone who has a total of around 23k estate would be poor.
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So if you’ve got assets of £101k you pay £86k and if you’ve got assets of £1m you pay £86k?

Does not seem incredibly fair to me...
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
So if you’ve got assets of £101k you pay £86k and if you’ve got assets of £1m you pay £86k?

Does not seem incredibly fair to me...
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Since Social Care isnt under the NHS, there is no single fair system to fund it. Its either tax on the young/poor/workers (delete at will), a tax on your house, or an asset stripping scheme.

Private insurance is really really expensive, and in my experience, estates/heirs are very unhappy at seeing "their" cash being spent.

So the simple solution is to wrap in back into the NHS. Increase income/corporation/IHT tax across the board with the increase ring fenced just for Social Care.
 
Kev The Rat said:
10 grand is less than half of 23.

agree the goalposts could move but I’d rather cling to any potential raft than definitely lose the lot in my adage as is the case now.

why should I expect friends and family to look after me in my 80s and 90s?
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you are literally expecting friends and family to look after you in your 80s and 90s under this proposal - and everyone else, too
 
roydo said:
Since Social Care isnt under the NHS, there is no single fair system to fund it. Its either tax on the young/poor/workers (delete at will), a tax on your house, or an asset stripping scheme.

Private insurance is really really expensive, and in my experience, estates/heirs are very unhappy at seeing "their" cash being spent.

So the simple solution is to wrap in back into the NHS. Increase income/corporation/IHT tax across the board with the increase ring fenced just for Social Care.
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completely agree
 
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