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[Tubey]

Nobody knew they would have the impact they did until they were fully played out. There was plenty of racist rabble rousing around the bus protest, suffragettes were imprisoned and force fed. Mind you, you’re still referring to Rosa Parks and Martin Luther Kings sacrifice as a “gesture.” so it’s clear where you are on this matter.

Of course, but again, like Kaepernick, that reaction validated them.

The reaction to the knee now isn't valification, because it's not solely being reacted to by the 'target audience' - it's massive amounts of people who have a problem with it for reasons beyond what they want it to mean.

So the gesture, objectively, fails.

And bravo on your last sentence. Standard stuff. To counter that nonsense, here's this.

Rosa Parks Was Dubbed the “Mother of the Civil Rights Movement.” Here's How She Earned That Title.

Parks was arrested after she refused to give up her seat to a white passenger on a segregated bus in Montgomery, Alabama, igniting a protest campaign that partially ended segregation.

www.biography.com

Also in February 2013, President Barack Obama unveiled a statue designed by Robert Firmin and sculpted by Eugene Daub honoring Parks in the nation's Capitol building. He remembered Parks, according to The New York Times, by saying "In a single moment, with the simplest of gestures, she helped change America and change the world. . . . And today, she takes her rightful place among those who shaped this nation’s course."

 

[Alan Whittle]

Mate, 4 in every 10 football fans disapprove of this gesture. It's being booed before every game by thousands. What more proof do you need that this is causing division???

Better “statistics “ than yours ?

 

[dead_soft]

Mate, 4 in every 10 football fans disapprove of this gesture. It's being booed before every game by thousands. What more proof do you need that this is causing division???

So what? There will always be large numbers who, like yourself, disagree with the modes of challenging the status quo. What are those people doing with their disapproval that is showcasing such division? Just saying to their mates 'yeah, not a fan of that' - is that a big issue? Not really. AND, even if it was more than that - so what? Huge swathes disagree with Pride, South African boycotts, etc, and they always will. They get proven wrong a lot.

 

[Tubey]

So what? There will always be large numbers who, like yourself, disagree with the modes of challenging the status quo. What are those people doing with their disapproval that is showcasing such division? Just saying to their mates 'yeah, not a fan of that' - is that a big issue? Not really. AND, even if it was more than that - so what? Huge swathes disagree with Pride, South African boycotts, etc, and they always will. They get proven wrong a lot.

Right, let's see where it goes then. Come back to me in a few months.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Of course, but again, like Kaepernick, that reaction validated them.

The reaction to the knee now isn't valification, because it's not solely being reacted to by the 'target audience' - it's massive amounts of people who have a problem with it for reasons beyond what they want it to mean.

So the gesture, objectively, fails.

And bravo on your last sentence. Standard stuff. To counter that nonsense, here's this.

Rosa Parks Was Dubbed the “Mother of the Civil Rights Movement.” Here's How She Earned That Title.

Parks was arrested after she refused to give up her seat to a white passenger on a segregated bus in Montgomery, Alabama, igniting a protest campaign that partially ended segregation.

www.biography.com

You called Rosa Parks and Martin Luther Kings sacrifices “gestures”. It’s what you think. Any deflection doesn’t work.

 

[Tubey]

You called Rosa Parks and Martin Luther Kings sacrifices “gestures”. It’s what you think. Any deflection doesn’t work.

So did Barack Obama - funny that. Because that's what they are. It doesn't lessen them, it's describing the physical action they undertook as a tactic. Kaepernick, too, was using a gesture.

What you did, stupidly, was use a throwaway line at the end of your post because you got annoyed, and your easiest route out was to try and cleverly call me a racist/someone who doesn't give a toss about racism. I'm going to be calling you out on that all day every day.

 

[dead_soft]

Right, let's see where it goes then. Come back to me in a few months.

In a few months I hope you'll have moved on to telling a different discriminated against group what they're doing wrong to keep it fresh

 

[Tubey]

In a few months I hope you'll have moved on to telling a different discriminated against group what they're doing wrong to keep it fresh

Yeah, play the man not the ball as per mate. It's expected.

 

[dead_soft]

Yeah, play the man not the ball as per mate. It's expected.

It's just so, so, good.

 

[Alan Whittle]

So did Barack Obama - funny that. Because that's what they are. It doesn't lessen them, it's describing the physical action they undertook as a tactic. Kaepernick, too, was using a gesture.

What you did, stupidly, was use a throwaway line at the end of your post because you got annoyed, and you're easiest route out was to try and cleverly call me a racist/someone who doesn't give a toss about racism. I'm going to be calling you out on that all day every day.

No one called you a racist mate. There would be no need for that.

 

[Tubey]

No one called you a racist mate. There would be no need for that.

Right, so does Obama calling what Parks did a gesture make it clear where he is on the matter too then?

 

[Alan Whittle]

Right, so does Obama calling what Parks did a gesture make it clear where he is on the matter too then?

Where he his? Yes.
Where you are? Not so much.

 

[tsubaki]

Artificial as to the assumption that it was universally approved.

4 in 10 football fans disapprove of taking the knee. Nearly half. It's the dictionary definition of a divisive gesture at this point. You can't just ignore that's happening.

6 of 10 support it though? You said the support was artificial, but it does exist and it is a majority.

 

[Tubey]

Where he his? Yes.
Where you are? Not so much.

Ridiculous and offensive comment.

 

[Tubey]

6 of 10 support it though? You said the support was artificial, but it does exist and it is a majority.

A 60/40 support for anti-racism is woeful. It should be 99% with a 1% margin of error. That's what I meant by fans being in the ground creating an artificial sense of unaminous support.