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[dead_soft]

Sir Alex Allan... “Her approach on occasions has amounted to behaviour that can be described as bullying in terms of the impact felt by individuals.
"To that extent her behaviour has been in breach of the ministerial code, even if unintentionally."
However, he added that the home secretary had "legitimately - not always felt supported by the department".
"In addition, no feedback was given to the home secretary of the impact of her behaviour, which meant she was unaware of issues that she could otherwise have addressed."
In a statement, Ms Patel said "I am direct and have at times got frustrated", but added: "It has never been my intention to cause upset to anyone."
"I am sorry that my behaviour in the past has upset people," she said.

So, woman shouts at civil servants, no one gives feedback, her chinless wonder of a perm sec says nothing either then resigns (the poor soul). The PM, decides she is not a bully and keeps her in the job. Nothing to see here, move along....

Very easy for Tories like yourself to dismiss the idea that people should be treated with respect in the workplace, I see. She’s had a staff member attempt suicide and others quite jobs they’d been in for decades so I don’t think this is a case of someone raising their voice across a room.

Very interesting how many Tories are willing to fall in line with what essentially amounts to ‘if you can’t stand the heat’

 

[peteblue]

You're right mate, I am surprised.

I struggle to grasp how the woman home secretary born in London to a Ugandan-Indian family is the first Home Secretary, or Minister to swear and shout or heaven forbid, make some people feel uncomfortable.

I'd have thought loads of them do that, and much worse.

To me, there must be more to it than this;

A statement published by Allan revealed that Patel had “not consistently met the high standards required by the ministerial code of treating her civil servants with consideration and respect”.

Allan added: “Her approach on occasions has amounted to behaviour that can be described as bullying in terms of the impact felt by individuals.”

The statement revealed that at times Patel had shouted and sworn at civil servants due to the “Home Office leadership’s lack of responsiveness and the lack of support”.

Allan said Patel’s behaviour met the civil service definition of bullying as “intimidating or insulting behaviour that makes an individual feel uncomfortable, frightened, less respected or put down. To that extent her behaviour has been in breach of the ministerial code, even if unintentionally," he found.”.


All I can see, and nobody has yet to find me anything else - is the report says she swore, shouted and made people feel uncomfortable on occasion and unintentionally.

Based on whats in the public domain, I can't have a conclusive view.

I'd be leading with the pitchfolks if the specifics were released and she was a wroung'un.




You see mate, I have to completely disagree.

You've said;



The specifics and context for me do matter.

They always do.

I've suggested people go and read this code because it'll show how vague and wide ranging it is. There's also loads of disclaimers, rightly so, in there like 'left to the good sense of Ministers"

It can't be as simple as "broke the code, sacked!" If specifics and context didn't matter, then heaven forbid you ever take a pen from a workplace, or login to a website that isn't for work purposes on work time. You'd be likely in breach of contract for both and should be sacked. If you weren't then what's the point in having a damn contract?

Here’s Sir Philip Rutnam, the perm sec who resigned and decided to pursue constructive dismissal. She did a good job helping this smug whining functionary out of the door.

 

[dead_soft]

She deserved it then mate.

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See that? A very specific example given.

Apology, resignation.

It's that specifics or detail that seems to be severely lacking here.

Do you see the inquiry as pointless? The only independent people have said their is evidence of bullying. That this isn’t made public is one thing but the inquiry has said the evidence they’ve seen says she bullied people. Johnson’s decision to not sack her is not the decision of an independent body

 

[dead_soft]

Here’s Sir Philip Rutnam, the perm sec who resigned and decided to pursue constructive dismissal. She did a good job helping this smug whining functionary out of the door.
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You’re defo getting turned on thinking about him being shouted at aren’t you?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Do you see the inquiry as pointless? The only independent people have said their is evidence of bullying. That this isn’t made public is one thing but the inquiry has said the evidence they’ve seen says she bullied people. Johnson’s decision to not sack her is not the decision of an independent body

We live in an inquiry/review culture mate and I think most are pointless, point scoring, scapegoating with the benefit of hindsight nonsense.

If you have an inquiry, for it to be worth anything it needs to be transparent. You can live stream most of them for that reason.

What they've released don't give Joe Public any insight or detail, IMO, to make a conclusive judgement.

What did she do?
"er, er, er. She shouted, swore, and made people feel bad"

That's me most days.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Here’s Sir Philip Rutnam, the perm sec who resigned and decided to pursue constructive dismissal. She did a good job helping this smug whining functionary out of the door.
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Not like you to resort to name calling and insults Pete

 

[summerisle]

 

[Jebus_lives]

We live in an inquiry/review culture mate and I think most are pointless, point scoring, scapegoating with the benefit of hindsight nonsense.

If you have an inquiry, for it to be worth anything it needs to be transparent. You can live stream most of them for that reason.

What they've released don't give Joe Public any insight or detail, IMO, to make a conclusive judgement.

What did she do?
"er, er, er. She shouted, swore, and made people feel bad"

That's me most days.

Mods?!??

 

[Blues Harp]

If Harold Shipman was in the cabinet, Bozo would find a way of keeping him in.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

The greatest of resets this is...

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

She resigned last time she did it. I wonder what's different this time?

We are in Johnson's 'Chumocrocy' now!

 

[Prevenger17]

they have literally just had a pay rise

Oh look: it's the anti-minority, anti-public sector, pro-Brexit, pro-Trump labour party member with another complete fabrication.

 

[Hickson9]

We live in an inquiry/review culture mate and I think most are pointless, point scoring, scapegoating with the benefit of hindsight nonsense.

If you have an inquiry, for it to be worth anything it needs to be transparent. You can live stream most of them for that reason.

What they've released don't give Joe Public any insight or detail, IMO, to make a conclusive judgement.

What did she do?
"er, er, er. She shouted, swore, and made people feel bad"

That's me most days.

I've briefed many Ministers (mostly Tory) over the years. It simply isn't acceptable for them to shout or swear at Officials, or to anonymously brief out to the Press about said Officials. It simply doesn't happen.

I also refer you to the payout DWP paid to a member of staff who tried to kill themselves because of what Patel was doing.

They're also not releasing the review because it does have detailed examples (so I have been told). They parked it last summer for that reason.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I've briefed many Ministers (mostly Tory) over the years. It simply isn't acceptable for them to shout or swear at Officials, or to anonymously brief out to the Press about said Officials. It simply doesn't happen.

I also refer you to the payout DWP paid to a member of staff who tried to kill themselves because of what Patel was doing.

They're also not releasing the review because it does have detailed examples (so I have been told). They parked it last summer for that reason.

Just one page summary of the findings. It's no surprise there are recordings of Johnson making plans to have someone beaten up. If it's rotten at the top it's rotten throughout.

 

[arminisgod]

Quantify who is they?

my missus is a teacher, she's had one