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She’s certainly the only one that’s been the subject of a report that has been suppressed by the Prime Minister.

Why subject of the report?

What did she do differently to others? It can't be just shouting, swearing and making some (how many?) feel uncomfortable on occasion.

Personally think the issue is a lack of transparency from the government.

They should release the report or state what the reasons are.
 
I see mate.

I'm sure she's alone then in being the only bully and hypocrite in government.
No. Which was precisely the first point I made to you.

But MPs, including in the shadow cabinet, have been sacked in recent memory for workplace bullying.

Surely it goes towards the credibility of the message:

'Taking personal responsibility for our actions' was the message earlier in the year about lockdown, from someone who proudly seeks the most vindictive and strictest punishment of others in their misdemeaners; yet multiple second chances and understanding for their own.
 
No, she was found guilty of breaking the ministerial code. That's what we have and all we need to know she should be gone.

Otherwise what's the point in having an independent investigation if you're just going to ignore the outcome of it completely. At that point you're basically Jeremy Corbyn.

Go and look at the code.

Context.

You can't sack people for breaking a code that's so incredibly vague and wide ranging.

You'd be sacking every senior politician tomorrow. Johnson for one would be a massive hypocrite because he's broke that code.

Whataboutery is right here - you need to be consistent.
 
Why subject of the report?

What did she do differently to others? It can't be just shouting, swearing and making some (how many?) feel uncomfortable on occasion.

Personally think the issue is a lack of transparency from the government.

They should release the report or state what the reasons are.
Yes, agreed.
 
Go and look at the code.

Context.

You can't sack people for breaking a code that's so incredibly vague and wide ranging.

You'd be sacking every senior politician tomorrow. Johnson for one would be a massive hypocrite because he's broke that code.

Whataboutery is right here - you need to be consistent.

I think it is the first time a Minister has formally been found to have broken the Ministerial Code and hasn't resigned.
 
Why subject of the report?

What did she do differently to others? It can't be just shouting, swearing and making some (how many?) feel uncomfortable on occasion.

Personally think the issue is a lack of transparency from the government.

They should release the report or state what the reasons are.

You may be surprised at this, but it is very uncommon for Ministers to treat their staff in an unprofessional manner.

Patel has the worst reputation of any over the last decade, that I am aware of.
 
Go and look at the code.

Context.

You can't sack people for breaking a code that's so incredibly vague and wide ranging.

You'd be sacking every senior politician tomorrow. Johnson for one would be a massive hypocrite because he's broke that code.

Whataboutery is right here - you need to be consistent.

Of course you can. And should.

If the code is pointless insofar as it has no consequences if you break it, don't have it then. If it exists, then there has to be consequences for breaking it.

If you're going to have an independent investigation into whether it was broken, have that investigation say it was and then ignore it completely... what's the point in having procedure for anything.

It doesn't matter if Patel choked someone half to death or just deliberately farted in a lift at this point - the problem is the abuse of power by Johnson in not abiding by decisions he doesn't like.
 
Her behaviour has led to the resignation of the Home Office Perm Sec, who I would say was earmarked to be Cabinet Secretary at some point, and the independent advisor, a Senior Civil Servant of 47 years service.

There was also the attempted suicide by a member of staff following her bullying, when she was a Minister at DWP, who actually received a £25K payout.

So she has a track record of this behaviour over three Government Departments.

Less also not forget her trip to Israel on the sly while a Minister, to meet politicians and officials, that May fired her for.
 
Sir Alex Allan... “Her approach on occasions has amounted to behaviour that can be described as bullying in terms of the impact felt by individuals.
"To that extent her behaviour has been in breach of the ministerial code, even if unintentionally."
However, he added that the home secretary had "legitimately - not always felt supported by the department".
"In addition, no feedback was given to the home secretary of the impact of her behaviour, which meant she was unaware of issues that she could otherwise have addressed."
In a statement, Ms Patel said "I am direct and have at times got frustrated", but added: "It has never been my intention to cause upset to anyone."
"I am sorry that my behaviour in the past has upset people," she said.

So, woman shouts at civil servants, no one gives feedback, her chinless wonder of a perm sec says nothing either then resigns (the poor soul). The PM, decides she is not a bully and keeps her in the job. Nothing to see here, move along....
 
I think it is the first time a Minister has formally been found to have broken the Ministerial Code and hasn't resigned.

You may be surprised at this, but it is very uncommon for Ministers to treat their staff in an unprofessional manner.

Patel has the worst reputation of any over the last decade, that I am aware of.

You're right mate, I am surprised.

I struggle to grasp how the woman home secretary born in London to a Ugandan-Indian family is the first Home Secretary, or Minister to swear and shout or heaven forbid, make some people feel uncomfortable.

I'd have thought loads of them do that, and much worse.

To me, there must be more to it than this;

A statement published by Allan revealed that Patel had “not consistently met the high standards required by the ministerial code of treating her civil servants with consideration and respect”.

Allan added: “Her approach on occasions has amounted to behaviour that can be described as bullying in terms of the impact felt by individuals.”

The statement revealed that at times Patel had shouted and sworn at civil servants due to the “Home Office leadership’s lack of responsiveness and the lack of support”.

Allan said Patel’s behaviour met the civil service definition of bullying as “intimidating or insulting behaviour that makes an individual feel uncomfortable, frightened, less respected or put down. To that extent her behaviour has been in breach of the ministerial code, even if unintentionally," he found.”.



All I can see, and nobody has yet to find me anything else - is the report says she swore, shouted and made people feel uncomfortable on occasion and unintentionally.

Based on whats in the public domain, I can't have a conclusive view.

I'd be leading with the pitchfolks if the specifics were released and she was a wroung'un.


Of course you can. And should.

If the code is pointless insofar as it has no consequences if you break it, don't have it then. If it exists, then there has to be consequences for breaking it.

You see mate, I have to completely disagree.

You've said;

Thing is mate, she was found to have broken the ministerial code by an independent investigation.

That should be enough.

It doesn't actually matter the specifics of what she did;
what matters is an investigation found her guilty of breaking the code, and therefore she should resign or be sacked.

The specifics and context for me do matter.

They always do.

I've suggested people go and read this code because it'll show how vague and wide ranging it is. There's also loads of disclaimers, rightly so, in there like 'left to the good sense of Ministers"

It can't be as simple as "broke the code, sacked!" If specifics and context didn't matter, then heaven forbid you ever take a pen from a workplace, or login to a website that isn't for work purposes on work time. You'd be likely in breach of contract for both and should be sacked. If you weren't then what's the point in having a damn contract?
 
You may be surprised at this, but it is very uncommon for Ministers to treat their staff in an unprofessional manner.

Patel has the worst reputation of any over the last decade, that I am aware of.
I know it was over 10 years ago, sadly, that Gordon Brown was Chancellor - he regularly faced accusations of bullying.

And let us not forget Speaker Bercow, who Mr Corbyn attempted to elevate to the House of Lords.
 
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