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If the summary of the report doesn't accurate describe the report - whose responsibility is that?

It doesn't say much at all does it?

I've never heard of him before today - not sure I'd give much credence to a 69 year old resigning from a job he's had since 2011.

I thought someone would have given me a handful of specifics of her being a spiteful bullying [beep] by now but nobody knows do they?

it’s the governments responsibility; that’s why the bloke resigned
 
It's not really a shock, breaching the ministerial code is almost a rite of passage for this cabinet.

However, there does seem to be a persistent notion that Patel seems to be pretty awful to work with. Maybe hostile environments are the only ones she knows how to create.

Does some of that come from expectations of what a woman should be like in a workplace?

Do some people react differently to aPriti Patel swearing to a Boris Johnson?

And if she is an awful person, is it actually bullying and deserving of being sacked in disgrace? Until there's specifics, I'm not sure how anyone can be conclusive in their view.
 
Indeed.

They're the headlines of the report, the headlines are vague and not enough.

Swearing and shouting, and making people feel "uncomfortable" on occasion - I find it hard to believe any previous home secretary didn't do that "on occasion".

So what's the difference here?

Answer: It seems nobody knows yet, because the detail/specifics aren't available.

It's all agenda driven fuelled speculation.

Thing is mate, she was found to have broken the ministerial code by an independent investigation.

That should be enough. The guy who did the investigation has resigned due to Johnson basically ignoring it.

It doesn't actually matter the specifics of what she did; what matters is an investigation found her guilty of breaking the code, and therefore she should resign or be sacked.
 
Thing is mate, she was found to have broken the ministerial code by an independent investigation.

That should be enough. The guy who did the investigation has resigned due to Johnson basically ignoring it.

It doesn't actually matter the specifics of what she did; what matters is an investigation found her guilty of breaking the code, and therefore she should resign or be sacked.

Have you read that code?

Skim through it.

They'd all be sacked.

Specifics and context always matter.
 
Does some of that come from expectations of what a woman should be like in a workplace?

Do some people react differently to aPriti Patel swearing to a Boris Johnson?

And if she is an awful person, is it actually bullying and deserving of being sacked in disgrace? Until there's specifics, I'm not sure how anyone can be conclusive in their view.
No I think it largely comes from her being a bully and a hypocrite.
 
Does some of that come from expectations of what a woman should be like in a workplace?

Do some people react differently to aPriti Patel swearing to a Boris Johnson?

And if she is an awful person, is it actually bullying and deserving of being sacked in disgrace? Until there's specifics, I'm not sure how anyone can be conclusive in their view.


There is no accountability in a corrupt cabal. Tis why only a one page summary is to published on the bullying Inquiry into behaviours of only the HOME SECURITY.

Also, pending court case will be settled as they always are in constructive dismissal cases. So specifics little chance.
 
Have you read that code?

Skim through it.

They'd all be sacked.

That's "whataboutery", but even if so, have anyone subject to the same investigation then.

Patel was the one who did so much as to merit an investigation being called. She was "guilty as charged" on this. She should go.

Sure, lots of it is agenda driven as per usual, but objectively she should resign or be sacked over this as the correct course of action. Johnson hasn't followed procedure. He's whitewashing it. Hence the furore.
 
Usually a report has a summary from whoever produced/wrote the report. Isn't that the guy who resigned? If not, you'd have thought he'd ensure there would be a summary for the world to see.

He wrote a summary yes, but we don’t know whether what was released today is all the summary, an edited highlights or something that captures the flavour of what No.10 thought it said. His resignation kind of suggests an answer though.
 
That's "whataboutery", but even if so, have anyone subject to the same investigation then.

Patel was the one who did so much as to merit an investigation being called. She was "guilty as charged" on this. She should go.

Sure, lots of it is agenda driven as per usual, but objectively she should resign or be sacked over this as the correct course of action. Johnson hasn't followed procedure. He's whitewashing it. Hence the furore.

There's always furore.

People outside of shouty platforms don't really care.

Some will even admire the lack of pandering to a media pile on. Some loyalty.

All besides the point.

Until there's specifics I don't see how anyone can be so condemning and conclusive.

"She broke the code! The code!"

Go and read the code.
 
I see mate.

I'm sure she's alone then in being the only bully and hypocrite in government.

It's like Momentum in Labour shouting about Tory Islamophobia when questioned about their own anti-semitism.

Sure, it exists... but you're still anti-semitic at the end of the day.

This is like Starmer ignorning the EHRC report, going "ah well, nobody knows exactly what anti-semitic things people said when and where" and trying to get on with things. There's be uproar, and correctly so.

Johnson and Patel deserve all they're getting here, because Patel shouldn't have a job right now.
 
It's like Momentum in Labour shouting about Tory Islamophobia when questioned about their own anti-semitism.

Sure, it exists... but you're still anti-semitic at the end of the day.

This is like Starmer ignorning the EHRC report, going "ah well, nobody knows exactly what anti-semitic things people said when and where" and trying to get on with things. There's be uproar, and correctly so.

Johnson and Patel deserve all they're getting here, because Patel shouldn't have a job right now.

Why shouldn't she?

She shouted, swore and made some people feel uncomfortable?

That's all we have isn't it?
 
Why shouldn't she?

She shouted, swore and made some people feel uncomfortable?

That's all we have isn't it?

No, she was found guilty of breaking the ministerial code. That's what we have and all we need to know she should be gone.

Otherwise what's the point in having an independent investigation if you're just going to ignore the outcome of it completely. At that point you're basically Jeremy Corbyn.
 
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