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[peteblue]

Public sector is rather wider than teachers mate...

I've had 10 years of real term pay reductions.

Tories said in their manifesto the pay freeze was over, lavished praise on us for helping to keep the country going and are now going to once again shaft us.

Stop moaning, imagine if you were in the private sector, where people get sacked and companies close down and all the while your salary is still a small percentage of those in the public sector.....and don’t get me started on your pension......

 

[dead_soft]

Stop moaning, imagine if you were in the private sector, where people get sacked and companies close down and all the while your salary is still a small percentage of those in the public sector.....and don’t get me started on your pension......

Seems like the private sector is a bit of a hellhole that needs better regulation then. Certainly doesn’t seem like something the public sector should emulate

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Stop moaning, imagine if you were in the private sector, where people get sacked and companies close down and all the while your salary is still a small percentage of those in the public sector.....and don’t get me started on your pension......

Public sector work is open to all apply. And If the public sector was that well paid with world beating pensions, there would be no staff shortages...

 

[Hickson9]

Stop moaning, imagine if you were in the private sector, where people get sacked and companies close down and all the while your salary is still a small percentage of those in the public sector.....and don’t get me started on your pension......

You are ill informed.

I'd get paid more for an equivalent job in the private sector.

And my pension is now directly link to the state pension age. I'm likely to be 70 by the time I can draw down on it in full.

Do you really think it is illegitimate for me to be annoyed about Ministers yet again reducing our pay (after a Decade of it already!), after saying how essential we have been (and we are) and promising the pay restraint was over?

 

[Hickson9]

Boris directly pressured Sir Allan to fudge his report.



None of this can be credibly defended.

 

[Agent Blue]

Stop moaning, imagine if you were in the private sector, where people get sacked and companies close down and all the while your salary is still a small percentage of those in the public sector.....and don’t get me started on your pension......

Are you talking about the same private sector where this kind of thing is happening. There is more than enough dodgy cash washing around for all of the snouts in the trough in the great Johnson cash giveaway bonanza.............our pigging cash!

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[mill]

Public sector work is open to all apply. And If the public sector was that well paid with world beating pensions, there would be no staff shortages...

The idea that the public sector pays better than the private sector is insane.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

The idea that the public sector pays better than the private sector is insane.

Come on now have some empathy

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[Moomin]

The same government who gave themselves pay rises recently?

The workers can't have one but the mps can?

Very balanced that.

Well said.

 

[Hickson9]

The idea that the public sector pays better than the private sector is insane.

That is comparing two huge massive blobs, of every kind of job imaginable. For me, the comparison is so non specific as to be meaningless.

As a more specific example, once you get to more senior levels in the Civil Service, a lot of the time the remuneration simply isn't worth the public profile and expectation. Many civil servants leave and join parts of the private sector, in particular that face Government, and get paid a lot more money for similar jobs.

 

[mill]

That is comparing two huge massive blobs, of every kind of job imaginable. For me, the comparison is so non specific as to be meaningless.

As a more specific example, once you get to more senior levels in the Civil Service, a lot of the time the remuneration simply isn't worth the public profile and expectation. Many civil servants leave and join parts of the private sector, in particular that face Government, and get paid a lot more money for similar jobs.

I realise it’s impossible to compare like for like.

But, there is no way that you can argue that the public sector pays more than the private sector, on average. No way on Earth.

 

[Hickson9]

I realise it’s impossible to compare like for like.

But, there is no way that you can argue that the public sector pays more than the private sector, on average. No way on Earth.

Ah sorry, I didn't see the context and that you were disagreeing.

I actually think more junior levels of the Civil Service (and I'll only speak to be more specific) will pay more than equivalent private sector jobs, and have more security, better pension etc.

Back in Liverpool, as a relevant example for most of us, more of the public sector jobs will be of that kind of level and the wage will go a lot further. The balance is less tipped towards the private sector, as there aren't very many private sector jobs with a good wage (so much of it seems to be retail and tourism).

Simplistically, in London and the South East, that balance flips.

 

[arminisgod]

The same government who gave themselves pay rises recently?

The workers can't have one but the mps can?

Mp's don't give themselves pay rises. I'm all for Tory bashing but this is a non starter for me.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Boris directly pressured Sir Allan to fudge his report.



None of this can be credibly defended.

He's shameless or clueless. Neither is particularly appealing

 

[mill]

Ah sorry, I didn't see the context and that you were disagreeing.

I actually think more junior levels of the Civil Service (and I'll only speak to be more specific) will pay more than equivalent private sector jobs, and have more security, better pension etc.

Back in Liverpool, as a relevant example for most of us, more of the public sector jobs will be of that kind of level and the wage will go a lot further. The balance is less tipped towards the private sector, as there aren't very many private sector jobs with a good wage (so much of it seems to be retail and tourism).

Simplistically, in London and the South East, that balance flips.

Tbf that may be true.
I’m possibly skewed by living in London.
But I look things like base pay, wage inflation etc and it looks light years away from similar roles in the private sector.
Particularly the wage inflation.
And the wider benefits aren’t nearly as good as people think on a relative basis.

In my firm in the private sector, the pension is 20% employer contribution, private health including private GP, death in service/illness insurance, subsidised meals, free wills, gym flex, travel card loans etc. All as standard.