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urquattro said:
I take it you are an expert in this field and not just someone who spouts the hyperbole?.

I can tell you now, the water companies can't loop hole their way out of it. The buck stops with them even it is proven that a third party is proven to be the culprit. The water company then has to take the third party to court.
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Yes but if the is no one to enforce it as the Government have let them loose to pollute e.g. let the outlets open by taking the regulator away - the Government tried to sue Thames water - & they just put two fingers up - yes I watch the news documentaries, on our rivers, sea etc, & listen to Fergal Sharkey who advocates the shareholders most not in this country are culpable mate ....

Many recent documentaries have shown some farmers have tried their best to keep phosphates out of our rivers & they just open the gates for sewerage to pollute all about profit ....

This country is finished 14 years of Tory rule has taken it toll ....
 
Walken said:
I would not consider myself an expert, I have qualifications in the environmental field and worked on case studies in areas such as the upper wharf dealing with community led action and also with the EA. I'm less involved lately as I'm topping up my qualifications which is too occupying for me to be full time in anything.

The idea that private water companies have behaved ethically and without sole focus on profits regards emergency pump out legislation has absolutely not been my experience, and the testing required to see the damage they are causing often only takes place due to community driven action. The government agencies responsible suffer from a lack of funding from a government that does not desire accountability.
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Like I said in my reply to @Rita_Poon the only way some of these discharges were known was by Joe Public reporting them because there wasn't any monitoring equipment. The industry has heralded the public outcry and rightly so but in some ways they were already ahead of the game and behind the scenes were putting in place solutions that they could in the present AMP but also gearing up to sort the CSO issue fully in the next AMP.

Now the kicker is, we will have to pay increased water bills of upto 40% more to do it.

By the way, this issue isn't solely limited to the privatised water companies in England, Scotland and Wales are nationalised or not for private profit and they are as much as culpable.
 
Rita_Poon said:
hmmm.

news.sky.com

Faulty sewage spill monitors spark accusations of 'environmental cover up' by water firms

The number of devices not working properly has fuelled concerns the scale of the sewage scandal is far bigger than previously thought, further ramping up pressure on the utility companies and government.
news.sky.com news.sky.com

I don't fancy getting drawn into the crimes or otherwise of previous governments, nor being grateful for how great things are now compared to the 60's.

What I see is another means for toad of toad hall to crowbar his way into a position of power and to exploit that position until he is forcibly removed. The dossers at the top of respective companies/industries/ are interchangeable, all know one another, and it's the old boys club hard in action. Usually very tory minded to the point of being significant donors. "Let the market decide" was her rallying cry, and oh boy did her denizens get their hooks in fast.
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I appreciate that Toad of Toad Hall is still involved at the higher echelons of the companies involved.
I have just tried to provide a bit of understanding to the problem.
 
Joey66 said:
Yes but if the is no one to enforce it as the Government have let them loose to pollute e.g. let the outlets open by taking the regulator away - the Government tried to sue Thames water - & they just put two fingers up - yes I watch the news documentaries, on our rivers, sea etc, & listen to Fergal Sharkey who advocates the shareholders most not in this country are culpable mate ....

Many recent documentaries have shown some farmers have tried their best to keep phosphates out of our rivers & they just open the gates for sewerage to pollute all about profit ....

This country is finished 14 years of Tory rule has taken it toll ....
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There are plenty of farmers on an individual level who lead brilliant innovative responses to various environmental issue. The NFU however remains a massive hindrance to any positive action and absolutely culpable in the damage to rivers etc
 
urquattro said:
Like I said in my reply to @Rita_Poon the only way some of these discharges were known was by Joe Public reporting them because there wasn't any monitoring equipment. The industry has heralded the public outcry and rightly so but in some ways they were already ahead of the game and behind the scenes were putting in place solutions that they could in the present AMP but also gearing up to sort the CSO issue fully in the next AMP.

Now the kicker is, we will have to pay increased water bills of upto 40% more to do it.

By the way, this issue isn't solely limited to the privatised water companies in England, Scotland and Wales are nationalised or not for private profit and they are as much as culpable.
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Yes the nationalised industries in Scotland & Wales use technology which often goes wrong to safe on manpower..the waterboards then blame the pollution on computer errors let's member all waterbirds make money out of a natural substance sea & rain .
 
Walken said:
There are plenty of farmers on an individual level who lead brilliant innovative responses to various environmental issue. The NFU however remains a massive hindrance to any positive action and absolutely culpable in the damage to rivers etc
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I agree some greedy farmers do pollute rivers some listen to local angling clubs too...fish are declining in a massive way with pollution....
 
urquattro said:
Like I said in my reply to @Rita_Poon the only way some of these discharges were known was by Joe Public reporting them because there wasn't any monitoring equipment. The industry has heralded the public outcry and rightly so but in some ways they were already ahead of the game and behind the scenes were putting in place solutions that they could in the present AMP but also gearing up to sort the CSO issue fully in the next AMP.

Now the kicker is, we will have to pay increased water bills of upto 40% more to do it.

By the way, this issue isn't solely limited to the privatised water companies in England, Scotland and Wales are nationalised or not for private profit and they are as much as culpable.
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I appreciate the info
 
Joey66 said:
Yes but if the is no one to enforce it as the Government have let them loose to pollute e.g. let the outlets open by taking the regulator away - the Government tried to sue Thames water - & they just put two fingers up - yes I watch the news documentaries, on our rivers, sea etc, & listen to Fergal Sharkey who advocates the shareholders most not in this country are culpable mate ....

Many recent documentaries have shown some farmers have tried their best to keep phosphates out of our rivers & they just open the gates for sewerage to pollute all about profit ....

This country is finished 14 years of Tory rule has taken it toll ....
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Sorry , but if you do some research you will find that the water industry isn't the biggest polluter of the water environment. Agriculture/Industry is the first, followed by run off second, then the water companies, but even then some of that can be traced back the first two.

Fergal Sharkey is absolutely right and the water industry is going to eliminate their part. Then, the blame will shift.
 
Joey66 said:
I agree some greedy farmers do pollute rivers some listen to local angling clubs too...fish are declining in a massive way with pollution....
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As a keen Angler, then I agree some species of fish have disappeared. I can't remember the last time I saw a Stickleback. On the flip side, other species are increasing in numbers and the size of specimen fish has also increased.
 
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