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peteblue said:
Indeed, mother Theresa has humiliated the country and Corbyn has humiliated the opposition. Not a great showing from our political class........
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Really?

I can think of a different way of describing standing back and let the Tories stab each other through the back and the front non-stop.
 
davek said:
Really?

I can think of a different way of describing standing back and let the Tories stab each other through the back and the front non-stop.
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He should have brought forward a vote of no confidence. I imagine he didn’t because he didn’t fancy picking up the pieces of this ‘deal’......
 
peteblue said:
He should have brought forward a vote of no confidence. I imagine he didn’t because he didn’t fancy picking up the pieces of this ‘deal’......
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He’d have almost certainly lost though so what would have been the point , if anything it would have strengthened her position. I can’t understand the clamour for the vote when it’s extremely doubtful it’d have been a success, surely you only do things like that when you’re completely assured of the outcome.
 
peteblue said:
He should have brought forward a vote of no confidence. I imagine he didn’t because he didn’t fancy picking up the pieces of this ‘deal’......
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The deal is delivering Brexit, which is precisely what you voted for? I don't recall there being anything on the ballot asking you what kind of Brexit you wanted, and you've largely dismissed all attempts to find that out because you weren't asked, so she's fulfilling her brief, no?
 
Bruce Wayne said:
The deal is delivering Brexit, which is precisely what you voted for? I don't recall there being anything on the ballot asking you what kind of Brexit you wanted, and you've largely dismissed all attempts to find that out because you weren't asked, so she's fulfilling her brief, no?
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No she is not. I voted to leave the EU. This is not leaving the EU. I would like a trade deal with the EU. This is remaining in the EU, and pretending it isn’t, while hoping to change people’s minds about leaving. It’s a stitch up. At this point I would just walk away. The problem is that no one in the EU has ever believed that May would do so....
 
peteblue said:
No she is not. I voted to leave the EU. This is not leaving the EU. I would like a trade deal with the EU. This is remaining in the EU, and pretending it isn’t, while hoping to change people’s minds about leaving. It’s a stitch up. At this point I would just walk away. The problem is that no one in the EU has ever believed that May would do so....
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Didn't you vote for her governance? You knew her form, quit blabbing.
 
peteblue said:
No she is not. I voted to leave the EU. This is not leaving the EU. I would like a trade deal with the EU. This is remaining in the EU, and pretending it isn’t, while hoping to change people’s minds about leaving. It’s a stitch up. At this point I would just walk away. The problem is that no one in the EU has ever believed that May would do so....
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Technically, we are leaving the EU, therefore she's abiding by the will of the people. We've taken back control and must abide by the sovereign powers bestowed upon our democratically elected government.
 
peteblue said:
No she is not. I voted to leave the EU. This is not leaving the EU. I would like a trade deal with the EU. This is remaining in the EU, and pretending it isn’t, while hoping to change people’s minds about leaving. It’s a stitch up. At this point I would just walk away. The problem is that no one in the EU has ever believed that May would do so....
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I don’t think it’s a good deal but why is your opinion on what you voted for the one that apparently carries weight ? The vote was binary and said leave and had no specifics and that seems part of the problem . we had Daniel Hannan say “Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market” , we had Owen Patterson say “Only a madman would actually leave the Market” whilst farage , Elliot and Banks went on about Norway “Wouldn't it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They're rich. They're happy. They're self-governing. “ , “The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people” and “Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK”.

There are a number of big beasts within the leave campaign all of whom advocated something very different to a no deal Brexit , admittedly different to mays deal as well but what they’re talking about certainly isn’t no deal . So all this we voted to leave and this isn’t leave rhetoric feels a bit empty .
 
Harryflashman said:
I don’t think it’s a good deal but why is your opinion on what you voted for the one that apparently carries weight ? The vote was binary and said leave and had no specifics and that seems part of the problem . we had Daniel Hannan say “Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market” , we had Owen Patterson say “Only a madman would actually leave the Market” whilst farage , Elliot and Banks went on about Norway “Wouldn't it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They're rich. They're happy. They're self-governing. “ , “The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people” and “Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK”.

There are a number of big beasts within the leave campaign all of whom advocated something very different to a no deal Brexit , admittedly different to mays deal as well but what they’re talking about certainly isn’t no deal . So all this we voted to leave and this isn’t leave rhetoric feels a bit empty .
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I do love how Brexiteers can call for the Norway option - without realising that its based on very high levels of taxation (especially of the rich), a lot of nationalization / state involvement in business, communal ownership of natural resources and social provision that is more lavish than anything we have ever had.
 
Harryflashman said:
I don’t think it’s a good deal but why is your opinion on what you voted for the one that apparently carries weight ? The vote was binary and said leave and had no specifics and that seems part of the problem . we had Daniel Hannan say “Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market” , we had Owen Patterson say “Only a madman would actually leave the Market” whilst farage , Elliot and Banks went on about Norway “Wouldn't it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They're rich. They're happy. They're self-governing. “ , “The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people” and “Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK”.

There are a number of big beasts within the leave campaign all of whom advocated something very different to a no deal Brexit , admittedly different to mays deal as well but what they’re talking about certainly isn’t no deal . So all this we voted to leave and this isn’t leave rhetoric feels a bit empty .
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Perhaps. But each of the above primarily describes a trade deal, which I am all in favour of. However, by keeping open this ‘let’s have a second vote’, the likes of Blair trying to keep us in, and many in government circles doing their absolute best to undermine the original vote, it just feels like a classic establishment stitch up....
 
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