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[peteblue]

Technically, we are leaving the EU, therefore she's abiding by the will of the people. We've taken back control and must abide by the sovereign powers bestowed upon our democratically elected government.

A good test of whether we are having Brexit delivered is to see the reaction of remainers, who seem to be the only ones who support Mays deal......

 

[Harryflashman]

Perhaps. But each of the above primarily describes a trade deal, which I am all in favour of. However, by keeping open this ‘let’s have a second vote’, the likes of Blair trying to keep us in, and many in government circles doing their absolute best to undermine the original vote, it just feels like a classic establishment stitch up....

The problem is pete I completely get that you have a vision of Brexit , that @Joey66 does but I’d suspect that @edge might be different . Certainly I don’t think anyone could claim that there is a single vision of it . So ultimately whether you or I like it we seem to be leaving and this is the deal . People can shout about “we voted to leave” but we are , you don’t like it but it doesn’t mean it’s not leaving .

It might not be your vision of leaving but leaving it is .

 

[Harryflashman]

A good test of whether we are having Brexit delivered is to see the reaction of remainers, who seem to be the only ones who support Mays deal......

We don’t , nobody likes it pete . I’ve said from day one I want the least Brexit brexit , so I’m amazed to say it but i’d much rather have what farage & banks want a EEA .

 

[Bruce Wayne]

A good test of whether we are having Brexit delivered is to see the reaction of remainers, who seem to be the only ones who support Mays deal......

It's worse than what we have at the moment, and for me at least, doesn't have freedom of movement, which is tragic, so I would much rather we had another vote and stayed in. But it's an awful lot better than the no deal madness proposed by people with neither a plan nor a clue.

 

[tsubaki]

It's worse than what we have at the moment, and for me at least, doesn't have freedom of movement, which is tragic, so I would much rather we had another vote and stayed in. But it's an awful lot better than the no deal madness proposed by people with neither a plan nor a clue.

Even on that basis its worse than no-deal; at least with no deal the effects will be brutal and therefore will forever disgrace the idiots who proposed it.

With May's nonsense they will not only be continuing to bitch about it, but they'll also be able to blame the negatives on her deal rather than leaving the EU.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Even on that basis its worse than no-deal; at least with no deal the effects will be brutal and therefore will forever disgrace the idiots who proposed it.

With May's nonsense they will not only be continuing to bitch about it, but they'll also be able to blame the negatives on her deal rather than leaving the EU.

I'm not sure I want the world to burn in order to rebuild itself again. The EU is in a fragile place, with Macron in trouble in France and Merkel on the way out in Germany. The last thing a cohesive Europe needs, especially with Trump being a tit, is the UK disintegrating.

 

[Joey66]

The deal is delivering Brexit, which is precisely what you voted for? I don't recall there being anything on the ballot asking you what kind of Brexit you wanted, and you've largely dismissed all attempts to find that out because you weren't asked, so she's fulfilling her brief, no?

delivering Brexit is easy we leave the EU with a decent team of Brexit negotiators and not remainers....

 

[tsubaki]

I'm not sure I want the world to burn in order to rebuild itself again. The EU is in a fragile place, with Macron in trouble in France and Merkel on the way out in Germany. The last thing a cohesive Europe needs, especially with Trump being a tit, is the UK disintegrating.

On the contrary - our (and the EU's) problem is that the uselessness of our political leaders these past forty years has led us to this pass. The people have to realise and do something electorally about it, now, or our problems will get worse. Macron is in trouble because he deserves to be; his policies are terrible.

 

[Harryflashman]

delivering Brexit is easy we leave the EU with a decent team of Brexit negotiators and not remainers....

Easiest deal in history hey joe

 

[Bruce Wayne]

On the contrary - our (and the EU's) problem is that the uselessness of our political leaders these past forty years has led us to this pass. The people have to realise and do something electorally about it, now, or our problems will get worse. Macron is in trouble because he deserves to be; his policies are terrible.

I don't think it's politicians in isolation, although they have undoubtedly played a (major) part.

 

[peteblue]

It's worse than what we have at the moment, and for me at least, doesn't have freedom of movement, which is tragic, so I would much rather we had another vote and stayed in. But it's an awful lot better than the no deal madness proposed by people with neither a plan nor a clue.

Another vote would not keep us in. If Leave voters refused to vote then there would be mayhem and our democratic process would be over. If the government then proceeded to remain anyway, the EU would just stitch us up by saying that we left at the end of March, so all existing rebates and concessions would be removed, the Euro etc etc would have to be adopted etc. The French yellow jacket protest would look like a tea party......you cannot play fast and loose with our democracy to get the ‘right’ result and expect no comeback.....

 

[peteblue]

On the contrary - our (and the EU's) problem is that the uselessness of our political leaders these past forty years has led us to this pass. The people have to realise and do something electorally about it, now, or our problems will get worse. Macron is in trouble because he deserves to be; his policies are terrible.

Indeed.....I’ve said for years that our MP’s are pygmies to those that went before. A second vote would destroy democracy in the U.K..We might as well let the military run the country rather than the incompetents we have now......

 

[peteblue]

Easiest deal in history hey joe

It should have been. It’s been screwed by both sides, with our government and civil service being absolutely clueless....

 

[tsubaki]

I don't think it's politicians in isolation, although they have undoubtedly played a (major) part.

Indeed. The tragedy about Brexit is that it’s obscured totally the argument that we should really be questioning whether the EU is the best possible form of European integration and making the necessary changes.

 

[Harryflashman]

Indeed.....I’ve said for years that our MP’s are pygmies to those that went before. A second vote would destroy democracy in the U.K..We might as well let the military run the country rather than the incompetents we have now......

I’ve never advocated a second referendum but what I don’t understand about leavers and this second vote this is too fold really . Why are you all so absolutely convinced you’d lose the second vote and secondly how does revoting on something make it less democratic.

I have my concerns over a second referendum but if there was another vote and it went the other way if people look at something and think this isn’t what I signed up for so I prefer the current status quo. They think We were promised £350m , the easiest deal in history , a deal like Norway , loads of trade deals signed immediately, that the German car industry won’t let hard Brexit happen and they think why did nobody mention the border problem and change their vote then how is that undemocratic ?