Yeah, the tories would love it if Labour published a way out of this mess and let them take all the credit.
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summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
Marius57
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Apologies, it was Labours last election manifesto, not Starmers. However if you just Google Labour 2019 manifesto costings, it's the first result.
However, expecting an opposition leader to cost policies midway through an election cycle that they can't implement due to being opposition is ludicrous.
Martin Alvito
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Most people prefer to disparage what they don't agree with, rather than engage with it. The problem at present is that there's nothing to engage with, when it comes to the extreme right.
We can agree to reasonably disagree, provided that we're both approaching a situation logically. There's nothing requiring us to show up with the same priors, and we can wrangle over whose data supports whose resulting claims more effectively, find the weaknesses on both sides and both come away having learned a thing or two.
That breaks down when there's no underlying logic on the other side of the fence. If you say, "Black is white," and I say, "No," the discussion ends. There's nothing more to say, because the conflict is too fundamental. We're really debating whether or not people have the right to say whatever fictitious nonsense they want and have a right to be heard in public discourse, and there's no stopping them from doing so until we rise up as one, say, "No more," and agree upon basic standards.
Agent Blue
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Aaaand here we have Theresa May warning us about the dangers of smoking, drinking and fast food.
Sorry Pete wtf has you're party been doing for the last 13 years, can you tell us ? And fully cost it of course, up to now I make it 3 and a half trillion and I don't need bloody figures or a spreadsheet to tell you Labour could do better than that...the Monster raving lunatic party could do better than that !
Tommy.
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May I suggest an Excel graph of the amount of Liz' who are in control of the country at any given point?
peteblue
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The conservatives wouldn’t have even gotten in but for the financial shambles Brown left behind “there’s no money left” but of course he blamed the USA etc etc etc……of course if anyone says Covid, War in Ukraine, Energy crisis then these are just excuses. I’ll grant you that Truss royally screwed up and that it was Tory MP’s who brought this on themselves and the country, but if I had to choose someone to sort it out between Boris, Mordaunt, Sunak or Starmer I would list them in the order I’ve just printed…..
Thomasc
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That is pure mental even from you.
You seem to miss the blindingly obvious fact that the current incumbents are the worst government in recent memory and also have Ballsed up every solution they have tried.
Therefore a change is needed pronto, because you cannot just keep allowing the lunatics to carry on running the asylum they have destroyed.
It needs new owners, proven or not.
Thomasc
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And there you have it. Straight from the daily Mail edition of politics for idiots.
Go to bed you drunken fool.
Yarrgh
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That's still better credentials than the incumbent imbeciles. But then again, they continuously offer solutions, it's just that those that don't want to listen, won't hear.
You're party has doubled the National debt, let that sink in again, no excuses, no rambling accept it and apologise for you're misguided bullshit.
So they couldn't tidy any of that up in 13 years? Come on, I've seen saner stuff said in the Everton Forum. You're so blinkered by your own weird beliefs that you can't see the other side. I actually worry for you.
And who did the great Boris Johnson back for leadership again?
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