Current Affairs The "another stabbing in London" thread

[longers]

I came to post exactly that. I've heard of him before but first time listening to him. He's such a impassioned but fair and unbiased speaker. Everything he says is justified and evidenced. Honestly a great interview. He is right that simply throwing on more police is not tackling the roots of the issue. Though some more police would still help to some extent surely.

Give his interview with James Obrien a watch, its even better and way more in depth !

 

[PhilM]

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So if I’m reading this correctly, since 2015 we’ve lost about 3,000 Police, yet knife offences rose by 15,000.

But between 2011 and 2014 we lost about 9,000 police yet knife crime actually reduced by nearly 7,000.

Not quite so black and white is it......

No it's not...



In the Met, they've lost nearly 4% of their total available full-time, paid officers in the last financial year. Would you like to see the statistics for specials?

Or how about...

 

[PhilM]

To maintain the percentage of front-line officers, which has reduced slightly, alongside supporting growing CT has meant other services are sacrificed.

What about levels of Operation Support Units? Or CID numbers? Perhaps car, robbery or fraud squads? It doesn't take much thought to see a correlation.

 

[Walken]

More police
More prisons
Tougher sentences. All sounds easy but for some reason it isn’t. I understand funding may be an issue but if billions can be found to pay to prop up the government for votes and “town funds” then surely we can invest in more police and prisons.

I have never seen a government and politicians on all sides being so out of touch.
This has been building for years. Community sentences which criminals laugh at and think it’s christmas when sentenced at court and a hamstrung politically correct police service.

Because none of apart from the funding for the police touches the social issues the Tories have created

 

[Walken]

Akala is ace, what i'd give to be as articulate and knowledgeable as him.

I agree (though I think you are extremely articulate and knowledgeable), though I wonder how many people will take one look at the lad and disregard everything he says

 

[roydo]

Because none of apart from the funding for the police touches the social issues the Tories have created

Could you explain how the policies of any Government will cause a 17 year old to be stabbed in the back while sat on a park bench with his mates?

 

[Walken]

Could you explain how the policies of any Government will cause a 17 year old to be stabbed in the back while sat on a park bench with his mates?

Is this a serious post??

If you cut adrift communities, increase poverty deliberately, create a less inclusive society then violence and crime increases.

I would not claim anything would necessarily prevent an individual act, but this thread is not about one individual act, it's about a supposed endemic problem, and such things are usually the product of environment, governments are directly responsible for influencing the social environment in the country, that's kind of their job

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I would not claim anything would necessarily prevent an individual act, but this thread is not about one individual act, it's about a supposed endemic problem, and such things are usually the product of environment, governments are directly responsible for influencing the social environment in the country, that's kind of their job

I believe the mantra will be individual responsibility. And how people should manage without state doing it for them!

 

[Walken]

I believe the mantra will be individual responsibility. And how people should manage without state doing it for them!

The individuals in the park with no lighting, no police, no community police and no funding towards youth recreation and development, coming from angry broken homes filled with stress

 

[roydo]

Is this a serious post??

If you cut adrift communities, increase poverty deliberately, create a less inclusive society then violence and crime increases.

I would not claim anything would necessarily prevent an individual act, but this thread is not about one individual act, it's about a supposed endemic problem, and such things are usually the product of environment, governments are directly responsible for influencing the social environment in the country, that's kind of their job

Yes. You lay the knife crime blame full square at the Governments door.

I would suggest that a more surgical examination of why young kids think its right/cool/necessary to carry and use knifes might point to other issues. That yeah, might be caused by Government policies, but to drop the issue on their door step as THE reason, most likely wont make much real progress.

Like, there was zero crime before this Government was there?

 

[Walken]

Yes. You lay the knife crime blame full square at the Governments door.

I would suggest that a more surgical examination of why young kids think its right/cool/necessary to carry and use knifes might point to other issues. That yeah, might be caused by Government policies, but to drop the issue on their door step as THE reason, most likely wont make much real progress.

Like, there was zero crime before this Government was there?

No I don't, I'm suggestive punitive action after the event is largely for show and will solve nothing in the long, the issues are deeper.

I am suggesting having this government has increased the issues, absolutely I am, they are a complete disgrace

 

[roydo]

The individuals in the park with no lighting, no police, no community police and no funding towards youth recreation and development, coming from angry broken homes filled with stress

But that doesnt compute to WHY a young lad would stab another one does it? I very much doubt that a young lad in London gets so worked up about Government policy that he reckons the answer is to stab someone.

There is obviously an endemic "craze" why so many seemingly carry knifes. I have no idea why. But then I had no idea why there was a spike in acid and moped attacks last year. Or why there was a spike in drive by shootings a bit further back.

Some plug into "Its the Tories/Governments fault" mode. It might be. But why not actually ask them?

 

[roydo]

No I don't, I'm suggestive punitive action after the event is largely for show and will solve nothing in the long, the issues are deeper.

I am suggesting having this government has increased the issues, absolutely I am, they are a complete disgrace

Dont really follow the first paragraph, but I wouldnt disagree that this Government is a monumental basket case.

Point I was making, maybe a bit clumsily, is that it is too easy to react to bad stuff, then as a default, blame a Government for it.

 

[Walken]

But that doesnt compute to WHY a young lad would stab another one does it? I very much doubt that a young lad in London gets so worked up about Government policy that he reckons the answer is to stab someone.

There is obviously an endemic "craze" why so many seemingly carry knifes. I have no idea why. But then I had no idea why there was a spike in acid and moped attacks last year. Or why there was a spike in drive by shootings a bit further back.

Some plug into "Its the Tories/Governments fault" mode. It might be. But why not actually ask them?

If you cut youth and family outreach programs to the bones it makes asking these questions tougher, but I agree in asking them.of course

 

[roydo]

If you cut youth and family outreach programs to the bones it makes asking these questions tougher, but I agree in asking them.of course

I agree that it makes life tougher. And I hold no torch for this lot, believe me. But it does not explain teenage stabbings. Like you say, ask folk who know these kids why they do it, and the kids themselves. That way, progress will be made.

Just blindly saying "Tory Cuts" doesnt really address that much.