Current Affairs The "another stabbing in London" thread

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PhilM said:
As @tsubaki rightly mentioned, the person or people who committed to crime are ultimately the blame for another tragic death and no one is saying otherwise.

Yet, let's not be ignorant of the elephant in the room. I'll give you a layman's example of how numbers of boots on the ground has changed over time.

Let's say in the 80s or early 90s, on nights from a nick in Liverpool there was at least sixteen on parade: ten on the beat and least three cars double manned.

There was six stations in South Liverpool, with similar ratios based on their patrol area, so on nights you can work out how many cops were on patrol at night.

Now? There are two nicks covering the same total area and you'll be very lucky to get ten on a shift from each station with huge areas to be covered on patrol.

No one patrols the beat and they are simply on response, which removes very little flexibility for pro-active patrols. This is with a growing population as well...
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That's not the only elephant in this particular room.
 
larrygobfiend said:
Theresa May says there's no link between police cuts and knife crime.

That it then, case closed.
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She shares our concerns, now A level students are being stabbed , I've been worried for some time, about when austerity started to take patrolling police off the streets and started to become investigation only police force.
 
PhilM said:
May isn't going to admit that cuts and changes to policing, which she introduced as Home Secretary, is now causing mayhem.
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No matter where in the world you go, if you don't police the streets (broad term as in police activities such patrolling, sharing of information with other agencies, education local authorities etc) the streets will police themselves. Gangs and associated crime will always fill void, always have done. It is rocket science for some.
 
PhilM said:
May isn't going to admit that cuts and changes to policing, which she introduced as Home Secretary, is now causing mayhem.
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Another Windrush as in another minster will have to resign because of a former post holder and their supposed tough methodical stubborn approach.
Funny listening to LBC last night hosg had to apologise for talking about knife crime, instead of anti-Semitism in the Labour party or the TiG. The host has to follow this knifing story as every single paper has on the front page. Emotional fall out of knife crime and it's causes is catching up with this Tory Government now.
 
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More police
More prisons
Tougher sentences. All sounds easy but for some reason it isn’t. I understand funding may be an issue but if billions can be found to pay to prop up the government for votes and “town funds” then surely we can invest in more police and prisons.

I have never seen a government and politicians on all sides being so out of touch.
This has been building for years. Community sentences which criminals laugh at and think it’s christmas when sentenced at court and a hamstrung politically correct police service.
 
PhilM said:
As @tsubaki rightly mentioned, the person or people who committed to crime are ultimately the blame for another tragic death and no one is saying otherwise.

Yet, let's not be ignorant of the elephant in the room. I'll give you a layman's example of how numbers of boots on the ground has changed over time.

Let's say in the 80s or early 90s, on nights from a nick in Liverpool there was at least sixteen on parade: ten on the beat and least three cars double manned.

There was six stations in South Liverpool, with similar ratios based on their patrol area, so on nights you can work out how many cops were on patrol at night.

Now? There are two nicks covering the same total area and you'll be very lucky to get ten on a shift from each station with huge areas to be covered on patrol.

No one patrols the beat and they are simply on response, which removes very little flexibility for pro-active patrols. This is with a growing population as well...
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So if I’m reading this correctly, since 2015 we’ve lost about 3,000 Police, yet knife offences rose by 15,000.

But between 2011 and 2014 we lost about 9,000 police yet knife crime actually reduced by nearly 7,000.

Not quite so black and white is it......
 
Del-boy said:
More police
More prisons
Tougher sentences. All sounds easy but for some reason it isn’t. I understand funding may be an issue but if billions can be found to pay to prop up the government for votes and “town funds” then surely we can invest in more police and prisons.

I have never seen a government and politicians on all sides being so out of touch.
This has been building for years. Community sentences which criminals laugh at and think it’s christmas when sentenced at court and a hamstrung politically correct police service.
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Indeed.....
 
peteblue said:
Not quite so black and white is it......
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Nope. Unless a politician wants to follow an agenda though. Who'd have thunk it?

It would make more sense to ask the kids why they are carrying knives I would suggest. But no, lets draw a lazy conclusion and get no further to addressing the actual issue.
 
longers said:


Akala is ace
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I came to post exactly that. I've heard of him before but first time listening to him. He's such a impassioned but fair and unbiased speaker. Everything he says is justified and evidenced. Honestly a great interview. He is right that simply throwing on more police is not tackling the roots of the issue. Though some more police would still help to some extent surely.
 
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