Haha, goodness Pete. Do you like your leaders shirtless on horseback?
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Haha, goodness Pete. Do you like your leaders shirtless on horseback?
I have zero respect for the police.
People have focused on Mackey because of his evidence to the inquest and the the manner of his actions: locking himself in the car; quickly driving away.
By his own admission, he did not have a PPO (civilians in the car as you mention) so the decision to lock the doors and leave the scene was his and his alone.
You may feel I'm being unfair on Mackey, however in the end he is paid a lot more than a Con to lead, set an example but with all the same responsibilities.
I feel that he failed to meet any of those responsibilities because of the the simple goal to protect his own skin; I doubt many will have much respect after that.
As the inquest proceeds, if it is found that Palmer's peers also ran away from their dying colleague, instead of challenging, then I'm sure they'll also get short shrift.
I respect your opinion - I sincerely do - however I feel that those who lead should set an example and uphold the values and responsibilities of the job.
I think that because of his actions that day he will lose all respect from the people he commands, effectively destroying his own postion of authority in the Police force. I can see him being eased out and into early retirement within 12 months.
He's due to retire anyway so I think he will quietly scurry off. If it was a junior rank however, then I wouldn't be surprised if they'd be chastised and disciplined.
peteblue
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No mate, but I do like leaders who lead by example......
Yeah he will slink away into the shadows with his pension intact, although I believe that his decision to do nothing will haunt him for the rest of his life. His decision still bafffles me and I have to draw a comparison to the terror attack at London Bridge station when 3 attackers were armed with knives and getting all stabby...however that time 2 brave PC's ran toward them and took them on (PC Wayne Marks, and PC Charlie Guenigault). One of them (Guenigault) was off duty at the time and had no PPE but he still ran toward 3 knifemen and got stuck in. PC marks was also unarmed and also was on net and he knew that armed response was close but he still took them on, again receiving multiple stab wounds.
Maybe these are the type of officers that should be selected to lead their respective police forces not people like Mackey.
The fact that he’s given evidence saying he’d do the same again leads me to think it probably won’t haunt him and I suspect he feels he can justify his decision . A lot of us I’d think would feel very different in his position .
I think your point on the other officers on London Bridge is well made , it’s been asked here “what could he do “ ? Well he could do what they did , what’s apparently expected of him by his subordinates and colleagues and by many of us whom he polices.
Exactly - do something, do anything, but don't lock yourself in your car and do nothing.
The proverbial nail on the head. Let's be honest, it's easy to say do he should have done this or that (in reflection I've been guilty of that) but he should have acted.
However, he didn't do anything - from the extreme to the basic expectation of leading, giving aid or support - and for me that's nothing short of dereliction of duty.
You talk about the officers at London Bridge yet we could cite countless examples of other officers, firemen, paramedics, servicemen or women or civilians doing...
... what it took when the proverbial faeces hit the fan, even if it meant their own lives were at serious risk; there's lots of examples when they actually gave it all!
To them, I brace up and tip my cap.
peteblue
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Indeed.......
Are you gunning for a spot on the Expendables 15 Pete?
peteblue
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No Bruce, but this guy is definitely expendable........
I see what you've done there.
peteblue
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“As a police officer who served for 32 years, latterly as a Chief Superintendent, it saddens me to say it, but the former Acting Metropolitan Police Commissioner, Sir Craig Mackey, is guilty of cowardice.
Of course, I cannot know what was in his mind when, on March 22 last year, he watched from his locked car as one of his officers, PC Keith Palmer, was stabbed to death by the terrorist Khalid Masood at the gates of the Palace of Westminster.
What I do know is that, if I’d still been in the Met, Sir Craig’s conduct would mean that I would never want to serve under him.
Many current and former police officers, of all rank and file, feel the same way. They took to the airwaves and social media platforms yesterday to express their disbelief at his failure to act.”
It seems the Police have universally weighed this guy up and reached the same conclusion as many on here, he is a coward. Now, to all of you who have staunchly defended him on here, perhaps now you might just understand.....
Of course, I cannot know what was in his mind when, on March 22 last year, he watched from his locked car as one of his officers, PC Keith Palmer, was stabbed to death by the terrorist Khalid Masood at the gates of the Palace of Westminster.
What I do know is that, if I’d still been in the Met, Sir Craig’s conduct would mean that I would never want to serve under him.
Many current and former police officers, of all rank and file, feel the same way. They took to the airwaves and social media platforms yesterday to express their disbelief at his failure to act.”
It seems the Police have universally weighed this guy up and reached the same conclusion as many on here, he is a coward. Now, to all of you who have staunchly defended him on here, perhaps now you might just understand.....
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