Current Affairs The "another stabbing in London" thread

[peteblue]

No, it wasn't. You asked me what I would do, I said what I would do. At no point in my post did I say "I would stay in the car".

Again, please actually read what is posted.

You said, and I quote verbatim “I'd have kept myself away from the attacker and tried to keep other people away from him as well.”.......

and my question was how, when you were locked in the car....

 

[tsubaki]

You said, and I quote verbatim “I'd have kept myself away from the attacker and tried to keep other people away from him as well.”.......

Yes, and where in any of that does it say "I would have stayed in the car".

 

[peteblue]

Yes, and where in any of that does it say "I would have stayed in the car".

So you are saying that you would have bravely got out of the car and kept people away. So why didn’t this professional coward do similar........

 

[tsubaki]

So you are saying that you would have bravely got out of the car and kept people away. So why didn’t this professional coward do similar........

Pete you were suggesting one of the options was to drive his car into a fence earlier? I don't think you get to call other people names.

 

[orchard]

Yes, and where in any of that does it say "I would have stayed in the car".

What if you only had a bike like in the olden days mate?

 

[zzr45]

Jesus some of the posts on here. ‘He should of run in with his fists and done a dropkick’ yeah lads. Carry on.

 

[PhilM]

What if you only had a bike like in the olden days mate?

You’d throw it at him. Locking himself in the car is the issue as he could have attempted to distract the offender or lure him away until adequate response arrived.

As a colleague said, “You would pick up what you could to give him a go, throw anything at him you could or run at him like the proverbial whirling dervish”.

Yes it may have put your own life in serious danger, however if others are in danger then you should act. Unless it’s a gun, then you’ve got a fighting chance.

 

[orchard]

You’d throw it at him. Locking himself in the car is the issue as he could have attempted to distract the offender or lure him away until adequate response arrived.

As a colleague said, “You would pick up what you could to give him a go, throw anything at him you could or run at him like the proverbial whirling dervish”.

Yes it may have put your own life in serious danger, however if others are in danger then you should act. Unless it’s a gun, then you’ve got a fighting chance.

Sorry mate, I was being a bit of a spurs emblem with that comment.

I can see where @tsubaki is coming from, but disagree with him all the same. Maybe it is a cultural thing as you stated. Like I said earlier, imo, demotion and prolonged front-line duty somewhere rough would be a suitable punishment.

 

[peteblue]

You’d throw it at him. Locking himself in the car is the issue as he could have attempted to distract the offender or lure him away until adequate response arrived.

As a colleague said, “You would pick up what you could to give him a go, throw anything at him you could or run at him like the proverbial whirling dervish”.

Yes it may have put your own life in serious danger, however if others are in danger then you should act. Unless it’s a gun, then you’ve got a fighting chance.

You are wasting your time. They do not understand, and probably never will. I always thought this snowflake generation were just a bit too liberal and not wanting to upset anyone, but until tonight I honestly never realised that they were actually just gutless... I hope this guy can live with himself, because I doubt that any other police officer would put themselves in harms way on his behalf........

 

[peteblue]

Pete you were suggesting one of the options was to drive his car into a fence earlier? I don't think you get to call other people names.

Just answer the question.....

 

[tsubaki]

Just answer the question.....

Pete you've literally quoted my answer in one of your own posts. If you can't be bothered to read other peoples posts, then at least read your own.

 

[tsubaki]

Sorry mate, I was being a bit of a spurs emblem with that comment.

I can see where @tsubaki is coming from, but disagree with him all the same. Maybe it is a cultural thing as you stated. Like I said earlier, imo, demotion and prolonged front-line duty somewhere rough would be a suitable punishment.

TBH I don't think this is a cultural (ie: police perception vs public perception) thing; that is why most (if not almost all) of the people who have / who claim to have policing experience and who have been having a pop at Mackey here and elsewhere have been conspiciously not having a go at the other officers in New Palace Yard who were (according to reports) also not confronting Masood in the way that it is demanded Mackey should have.

What it is is a senior officer in distress, which both inflames a workforce which has been screwed over repeatedly these past eight years and which gives a Government the opportunity to have a hate figure for the media to go at rather than to ask questions about other aspects of this atrocity that might come back to them (ie: like the removal of the railings on Westminster Bridge, or the exact process whereby (and at whose request) firearms officers were withdrawn from their fixed posts on the gates in 2015).

 

[peteblue]

TBH I don't think this is a cultural (ie: police perception vs public perception) thing; that is why most (if not almost all) of the people who have / who claim to have policing experience and who have been having a pop at Mackey here and elsewhere have been conspiciously not having a go at the other officers in New Palace Yard who were (according to reports) also not confronting Masood in the way that it is demanded Mackey should have.

What it is is a senior officer in distress, which both inflames a workforce which has been screwed over repeatedly these past eight years and which gives a Government the opportunity to have a hate figure for the media to go at rather than to ask questions about other aspects of this atrocity that might come back to them (ie: like the removal of the railings on Westminster Bridge, or the exact process whereby (and at whose request) firearms officers were withdrawn from their fixed posts on the gates in 2015).

I spoke to one of my nephews today, he serves with Merseyside Police. I asked him the question about this guy and his views were simply unprintable, and he said his fellow officers felt the same, absolute coward (that was the polite version)...

 

[Harryflashman]

I spoke to one of my nephews today, he serves with Merseyside Police. I asked him the question about this guy and his views were simply unprintable, and he said his fellow officers felt the same, absolute coward (that was the polite version)...

Interestingly a phone in on lbc this morning with a number of police officers calling in including a very senior one , I believe a former deputy chief Constable of West Yorkshire . They are absolutely full square that the response of locking the car and inaction is unacceptable and saying that their opinion is shared amongst their colleagues . A phrase used , which I’ve read above in this thread is that he holds the office of Constable and therefore has a duty . Another caller mentioned the off duty officer who was seriously injured at London Bridge when he intervened in the attack .

I understand our opinions seemed varied in this thread but it seems from what I’m reading and hearing that those who’ve served in the role feel that his actions were unacceptable and his position untenable.

 

[peteblue]

Interestingly a phone in on lbc this morning with a number of police officers calling in including a very senior one , I believe a former deputy chief Constable of West Yorkshire . They are absolutely full square that the response of locking the car and inaction is unacceptable and saying that their opinion is shared amongst their colleagues . A phrase used , which I’ve read above in this thread is that he holds the office of Constable and therefore has a duty . Another caller mentioned the off duty officer who was seriously injured at London Bridge when he intervened in the attack .

I understand our opinions seemed varied in this thread but it seems from what I’m reading and hearing that those who’ve served in the role feel that his actions were unacceptable and his position untenable.

Indeed, and he should be sacked, not reprimanded, not demoted, not put on gardening leave, just sacked.....this would give the Police a bit of respect back.....if it’s fudged, moral will go down the tubes......