Current Affairs The "another stabbing in London" thread

[tsubaki]

Behave. Trying to defend this guy is like Hullefc defending the Russians, it may sound clever and distracting but it’s a disgrace.....

The disgrace here is that you, who support the party that cut police funding for eight years, whose Mayor took the railings off Westminster Bridge that allowed this attack to kill and maim so many people, and who may well have had some input into this mysterious removal of armed officers on the gates of Parliament, are now on your high horse over this. I can respect PhilM's opinion even though I vehemently disagree with it, but you have no credibility whatsoever on this.

 

[peteblue]

The disgrace here is that you, who support the party that cut police funding for eight years, whose Mayor took the railings off Westminster Bridge that allowed this attack to kill and maim so many people, and who may well have had some input into this mysterious removal of armed officers on the gates of Parliament, are now on your high horse over this. I can respect PhilM's opinion even though I vehemently disagree with it, but you have no credibility whatsoever on this.

You are trying to deflect all over the place here, and now trying to draw distinctions in argument. You are in the wrong, I know you won’t admit it. Your ‘you have no credibility’ is the cheapest of shots and just shows that you have no argument. Play the man not the ball eh.......

 

[tsubaki]

And you are disgracefully ignoring his sworn duty to protect the public, never mind protecting one of his own officers. If you cannot see his patent cowardice, you never will......

For the last time - there is nothing Mackey could have done to protect the public or protect his own officers there except challenge Masood, which means in all likelyhood get stabbed. If you think that is justifiable in light of what happened then you are an idiot.

 

[peteblue]

For the last time - there is nothing Mackey could have done to protect the public or protect his own officers there except challenge Masood, which means in all likelyhood get stabbed. If you think that is justifiable in light of what happened then you are an idiot.

Again with the personal insults. Just answer me this, if you had been in that car, a moveable weapon, what would you have done....really.....

 

[tsubaki]

You are trying to deflect all over the place here, and now trying to draw distinctions in argument. You are in the wrong, I know you won’t admit it. Your ‘you have no credibility’ is the cheapest of shots and just shows that you have no argument. Play the man not the ball eh.......

Well, congratulations at least on being even more hypocritical than you were earlier. What are you going to accuse people of doing next, putting a load of full stops at the end of their posts?

 

[PhilM]

Look - please understand before posting yet more of these anecdotes that there were other police officers in Palace Yard. Masood was trying to chase them after stabbing PC Palmer but armed units came and shot him.

This was not a case of Mackey leaving PC Palmer alone to die, or driving off and leaving the scene whilst the attacker was on the loose. To compare him to someone who left a member of the public to die is both very inaccurate and very unfair.

You are basically attacking Mackey for not putting his life at risk needlessly, which to me is wrong.

I'm criticising him because he locked himself in his car and didn't uphold the oath and for me, I'm sorry, I personally find that it doesn't lie very well at all.

The fact there were other officers is irrelevant and even more so, for as you put it, he was attempting to attack his colleagues; I don't see it as a needless risk.

I see it as the risk of a constable and even more so the risk of a good senior officer. You may say they're anecdotes, but I'm trying to suggest that as a constable...

... it was a fair expectation that you would attempt to confront an individual or put yourself at great risk, even if you yourself were unarmed. Maybe that's changed.

For all his faults for example, which there were and still are many, Bettison on numerous occasions would confront violent individuals while having no protection.

 

[peteblue]

I'm criticising him because he locked himself in his car and didn't uphold the oath and for me, I'm sorry, however personally that doesn't lie very well at all.

The fact there were other officers is irrelevant and even more so, for as you put it, he was attempting to attack his colleagues; I don't see it as a needless risk.

I see it as the risk of a constable and even more so the risk of a good senior officer. You may say they're anecdotes, but I'm trying to suggest that as a constable...

... it was a fair expectation that you would attempt to confront an individual or put yourself at great risk, even if you yourself were unarmed. Maybe that's changed.

Only people’s moral and behavioural standards have apparently changed.....

 

[peteblue]

Well, congratulations at least on being even more hypocritical than you were earlier. What are you going to accuse people of doing next, putting a load of full stops at the end of their posts?

Full stops eh, your argument gets more incisive by the minute...

 

[tsubaki]

Again with the personal insults. Just answer me this, if you had been in that car, a moveable weapon, what would you have done....really.....

Pete - look at the maps and the photos of the scene. From where PC Palmer was stabbed at the gates to where Masood was shot is about 15-20 yards and Mackey said they both went past his position. Please, do some research before you post any more absolute nonsense such as the above.

 

[orchard]

Yes he should. And if it had been your son stabbed by that lunatic you would have a different opinion.......

Hahaha good logic as per...

 

[tsubaki]

I'm criticising him because he locked himself in his car and didn't uphold the oath and for me, I'm sorry, I personally find that it doesn't lie very well at all.

The fact there were other officers is irrelevant and even more so, for as you put it, he was attempting to attack his colleagues; I don't see it as a needless risk.

I see it as the risk of a constable and even more so the risk of a good senior officer. You may say they're anecdotes, but I'm trying to suggest that as a constable...

... it was a fair expectation that you would attempt to confront an individual or put yourself at great risk, even if you yourself were unarmed. Maybe that's changed.

For all his faults for example, which there were and still are many, Bettison on numerous occasions would confront violent individuals while having no protection.

My point about anecdotes was more about things you keep citing as reasons why Mackey should be criticized, none of which were anything like this.

Take the one about Bettison for example - how many times did he confront a terrorist who had just stabbed a colleague of his, when there were units that were far better trained to deal with him seconds away? If the answer is zero, then that point is irrelevant isn't it?

 

[peteblue]

Pete - look at the maps and the photos of the scene. From where PC Palmer was stabbed at the gates to where Masood was shot is about 15-20 yards and Mackey said they both went past his position. Please, do some research before you post any more absolute nonsense such as the above.

Where was the guys car. He said he could see the attacker, so that’s either through trees, over a wall or through a fence. He could see him. Even driving a car into a fence would have provided distraction, bought time, but he did nothing, absolutely nothing other than lock the car door......

Any chance of answering the question I asked of you, what would you have done.....

 

[peteblue]

Hahaha good logic as per...

I’m glad you find this funny......

 

[orchard]

I’m glad you find this funny......

I'm laughing at you. Again.

 

[peteblue]

My point about anecdotes was more about things you keep citing as reasons why Mackey should be criticized, none of which were anything like this.

Take the one about Bettison for example - how many times did he confront a terrorist who had just stabbed a colleague of his, when there were units that were far better trained to deal with him seconds away? If the answer is zero, then that point is irrelevant isn't it?

Dear god......