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I really don't understand how people like Ted Cruz can say restricting guns doesn't prevent acts of mass murder. How about a little perspective? All the other countries who do restrict firearms - how many of them have as many mass shootings?

I know the whole "if it didn't stop at Sandy Hook it will never stop" line, but perhaps this will show that Sandy Hook wasn't a one-off. One school massacre every decade?
 
Zezti said:
I really don't understand how people like Ted Cruz can say restricting guns doesn't prevent acts of mass murder. How about a little perspective? All the other countries who do restrict firearms - how many of them have as many mass shootings?

I know the whole "if it didn't stop at Sandy Hook it will never stop" line, but perhaps this will show that Sandy Hook wasn't a one-off. One school massacre every decade?
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I think the argument is, even if you make the guns illegal, criminals and scum like this school shooter will still find a way to get a gun and commit crimes.
 
DuuuncanHadaPigeon said:
I agree, but there are more guns than people in America, easier said than done. It is crazy you can buy a gun at 18 but not have a pint.
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I watched a clip once where a kid could not get served for a lottery ticket but could buy a gun!!

I imagine if a particular Dem state made the move to reduce-get rid of guns and the rest of the country saw the results it would gradually shift. I don't know, something has to give though
 
Zezti said:
I really don't understand how people like Ted Cruz can say restricting guns doesn't prevent acts of mass murder. How about a little perspective? All the other countries who do restrict firearms - how many of them have as many mass shootings?

I know the whole "if it didn't stop at Sandy Hook it will never stop" line, but perhaps this will show that Sandy Hook wasn't a one-off. One school massacre every decade?
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There have been 27 school shootings in the US since January 1. Just 4 years ago in a small town outside of Houston, where Ted resides, a 17-year old killed 10 and wounded 13 at Santa Fe High School.

Unsurprisingly, Ted's thoughts and prayers were not answered.
 
Tin-Tin said:
What I dont get though is why they cant just ban assault rifles without infringing on the 2nd amendment. Allow them to bear arms but only hunting rifles and handguns

Surely they can start there.
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The word "ban" will end any discussion and rile up the Jesus Guns Babies crowd.

(Yes, that is unironically a slogan used by GOP candidates.)
 
Frenk said:
Truly devastating and absolutely terrifying, but to be honest it’s part of the reason why we homeschool our kids, we know where they are because we can’t trust them to protect our kids. The other reason is partly down to the garbage education system, but we are lucky because my wife is a former teacher and I earn enough for us to do it. Our kids still meet up with other families regularly, but it gives us peace of mind.

I remember when I first moved over to the US, it freaked me out a bit due to all the people I have met here in the southwest that do open carry. My wife likes shooting and has owned a few guns, in these parts it is certainly a way of life. She has had a lot of training though and is very thorough in her safety checks and security procedures. Gunshots are definitely a regular thing, and I don’t mean just one or two, but I can’t say I will ever totally get used to it. A big problem is mental health and gun ownership for sure, with some who should never be anywhere near a gun slipping through the loopholes.

I think I have come to realize that the US is never going to be gun free, too many people own them, they are everywhere. It gets politicized but to be honest I know of a lot of democrats and republicans that own them. AK47’s, AR-15’s, you name them. One guy we know has their wall lined with them, like the guy in the first(?) tremors movie. Oh and in traffic I try to always stay calm, never piss anybody off, it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that somebody might pull out a gun a fire a few shots at your vehicle.
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I think this has become a gun lobby cop out. Mental health does play a role sometimes. But also the Buffalo shooting isn't mental health. Raging racism and anger isn't the same as an actual clinical issue. The focus just has to be the guns alone.
 
Noisy noise annoys said:
The "right to bare arms" thing is so naff to the outside world, it seems to stem from a time when it was appropriate to carry guns,yet somehow, Americans still seem hell bent on continuing with it, despite the changes in their country over the last 200+ years. Very strange to the rest of us.
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The 2nd Amendment was written at a time when you fired one shot per minute.

The 2nd Amendment also was put into the Bill of Rights to appease the slave states, who weren't going to ratify the Constitution without it. Why, you might ask? B/c they needed approval from the Federal Government to be able to put down slave rebellions. But most Americans think it was about protecting themselves from a "tyrannical" government.

Disinformation has spread throughout the centuries. I don't know any way out of it.
 
TheBigIguana said:
I think this has become a gun lobby cop out. Mental health does play a role sometimes. But also the Buffalo shooting isn't mental health. Raging racism and anger isn't the same as an actual clinical issue. The focus just has to be the guns alone.
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It's absolutely a cop out. Politicians on the right speak of mental illness in response to shootings regularly - but don't address the issue legislatively, either.

Americans are not more racist or more mentally ill than other modern nations on a scale such leads to the volume of gun deaths we experience here.

It's easy access to these weapons and no responsibility required of those who do that's the problem. So, yes, proper focus should be on guns.
 
For anyone talking about what the Founding Fathers would have wanted, and what they envisioned, as it relates to how laws needs to change with the times (and that you could apply to the 2nd Amendment), here is my favorite quote from inside the Jefferson Memorial:

Southeast Portico:


"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as a civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."

-Excerpted from a letter to Samuel Kercheval, July 12, 1816
 
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