Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

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Do they, like, tie them all together so they can fire them at once? Is it easier to hit animals that way?
Different guns for different purposes. None are automatic. Shotguns, pistols (Mainly for shooting at the range), and rifles. Even bows for fishing and turkey/deer hunting. Never an issue.
 
Different guns for different purposes. None are automatic. Shotguns, pistols (Mainly for shooting at the range), and rifles. Even bows for fishing and turkey/deer hunting. Never an issue.


Still have to think that there is something afoot culturally if people routinely feel the need to have 15-30 guns in their house? And for all your talk of something needing to be done, it has needed doing for the last few decades, but I don't think there has been a single piece of gun legislation passed in that time. From your experience, is "something needs to be done" just something people say after the 250th mass shooting in a year in the hope that the anger passes before the next inevitable mass shooting? What would you like to see done?
 
Still have to think that there is something afoot culturally if people routinely feel the need to have 15-30 guns in their house? And for all your talk of something needing to be done, it has needed doing for the last few decades, but I don't think there has been a single piece of gun legislation passed in that time. From your experience, is "something needs to be done" just something people say after the 250th mass shooting in a year in the hope that the anger passes before the next inevitable mass shooting? What would you like to see done?
I understand what you are saying, but American politics are all messed up. Nothing gets done because interest, money, and other factors. Gun laws can be passed but like mentioned before, bad guys will still get guns in their hands through various routes. They can steal a gun from a person who owns it legally and is law abiding. Its honestly a tricky situation. Really not sure what route Congress can take for it.
 
Well the shooter had an AK-47. Not legal to buy in America, own, or even in stores. Not supporting mass shootings but any gun laws, the bad guys will still find a way to get a gun.
Obviously something needs to be done. I live in Louisiana and most people I know own 15-30 guns for hunting purposes. Never been a mass shooting here.
I do feel sorry for the communities in El Paso and Ohio for their loss. Sick twisted people are out there. Action does need to be taken in some way.
Just this January Dakota Theriot shot and killed his parents and 3 other people, driving to a different parish to accomplish his goal.

In 2015 a guy with 2 .40 caliber handguns bought a ticket at a movie theater in Lafayette and during the movie started firing indiscriminately, reloading at least once. He killed two and wounded nine others before killing himself.
 
Just this January Dakota Theriot shot and killed his parents and 3 other people, driving to a different parish to accomplish his goal.

In 2015 a guy with 2 .40 caliber handguns bought a ticket at a movie theater in Lafayette and during the movie started firing indiscriminately, reloading at least once. He killed two and wounded nine others before killing himself.
Dakota Theriot... barred from purchasing guns due to mental illness.... stole a gun and shot his family. Was never legally able to own a gun.
The Lafayette shooting was with guns normal people could legally own. He should have never been able to enter the theatre.
Once again not backing shootings.
So lets say we ban guns in America. Not a single person can own a gun. What happens then? I can guarantee sick twisted people, gangs, drug cartels will still get them.
What would be your suggestion. (not being a jerk, just trying to have an inciteful conversation.)
 
I understand what you are saying, but American politics are all messed up. Nothing gets done because interest, money, and other factors. Gun laws can be passed but like mentioned before, bad guys will still get guns in their hands through various routes. They can steal a gun from a person who owns it legally and is law abiding. Its honestly a tricky situation. Really not sure what route Congress can take for it.

Indeed. The huge number of guns in circulation and the fact that legislation will inevitably result in only law abiding people handing them in, rather than the common or garden criminals and the fruitloops, are massive hurdles for Congress to get over and none of what has been proposed so far (with the possible exception of bringing the AWB back) is going to do anything to fix it.

I am not sure the state (any state) could legitimately risk its citizenry being exposed to that level of risk, though the proposed measures probably wouldn't get past the Courts anyway (certainly not the Supreme Court given its current makeup).
 
Indeed. The huge number of guns in circulation and the fact that legislation will inevitably result in only law abiding people handing them in, rather than the common or garden criminals and the fruitloops, are massive hurdles for Congress to get over and none of what has been proposed so far (with the possible exception of bringing the AWB back) is going to do anything to fix it.

I am not sure the state (any state) could legitimately risk its citizenry being exposed to that level of risk, though the proposed measures probably wouldn't get past the Courts anyway (certainly not the Supreme Court given its current makeup).
I think most of the northern states (Blue States) wouldn't have an issue with a banning, It would be with the Southern (Red States.) The Supreme Court is more balanced than you may think with some of the recent hearings. It could be a possibility, but as you mentioned. Getting people to turn the guns in would be the problem.
 
So lets say we ban guns in America.


Barely anyone in their right minds would even suggest this as a realistic measure. I could have you pegged completely wrong here, but you strike me as one of those who pay lip service to the problem when a mass shooting happens but quietly endorse doing absolutely nothing because you don't think guns are actually a problem. Do you think gun crime is a big issue in the US?
 
Dakota Theriot... barred from purchasing guns due to mental illness.... stole a gun and shot his family. Was never legally able to own a gun.
The Lafayette shooting was with guns normal people could legally own. He should have never been able to enter the theatre.
Once again not backing shootings.
So lets say we ban guns in America. Not a single person can own a gun. What happens then? I can guarantee sick twisted people, gangs, drug cartels will still get them.
What would be your suggestion. (not being a jerk, just trying to have an inciteful conversation.)
A few ideas from someone who owns both shotguns and rifles (no handguns):

Real personal liability for gun owners. If you want to own a gun you need to prove proficiency in use and understanding of safety in order to obtain and renew your licenses on a regular basis. Guns must be inspected for renewal of license. All guns must carry liability insurance. All of these are done for automobiles and not an undue burden.

If your gun is stolen and not reported to authorities within a reasonable time, you are also personally criminally responsible for any offense committed with your gun(s). If anyone in your household uses your gun in commission of a crime, you are also criminally liable.

All guns not in use must be stored in safe conditions with ammunition stored separately.
 
Different guns for different purposes. None are automatic. Shotguns, pistols (Mainly for shooting at the range), and rifles. Even bows for fishing and turkey/deer hunting. Never an issue.
Personally I’d consider having one of the highest gun mortality rate in the US a pretty big issue even without a large number of mass shootings.
 
I agree - how to do that though without penalizing law abiding legal gun owners though. That's the issue

I read somewhere, that, of the mass shootings in the States in the last twenty years, 94% of the killings were carried out by people with no previous convictions, so, until they shot and killed people, they were classed as law abiding citizens.

There seems to be no way of identifying which law abiding citizens are likely to go on a killing spree, so you either accept the status quo*, or think the unthinkable, and decide to, at least partially, revoke the second amendment.

So, in answer to your question, you can't.






RIP Rick Parfitt - greatly missed
 
Personally I’d consider having the highest gun mortality rate in the US a pretty big issue even without a large number of mass shootings.


You have a brutal way of slapping people down Legs
 
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