Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[Grinch]

Barely anyone in their right minds would even suggest this as a realistic measure. I could have you pegged completely wrong here, but you strike me as one of those who pay lip service to the problem when a mass shooting happens but quietly endorse doing absolutely nothing because you don't think guns are actually a problem. Do you think gun crime is a big issue in the US?

Of course gun crime is a huge issue. The topics only come up when a big shooting happen though. Nobody cares when its happening right now as we speak with gangs, in neighborhoods, or simple crimes like robberies. I along with the next person would love for all gun crimes would be diminished. I usually don't speak my mind on it and I never give an opinion on any social media.

 

[Grinch]

Personally I’d consider having one of the highest gun mortality rate in the US a pretty big issue even without a large number of mass shootings.

Louisiana ranks 4th highest in gun-related deaths in nation, report says

Louisiana has the fourth highest gun death rate and fourth highest gun ownership in the nation, according to an analysis of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Center for

www.nola.com

These numbers are "fluffed". Of course Louisiana has high numbers. New Orleans and Baton Rouge are the most friendly places and lots of gang and drug violence goes on. Im sure Chicago, Detriot, and many other big cities are on the list due to this same issue.

 

[tsubaki]

I think most of the northern states (Blue States) wouldn't have an issue with a banning, It would be with the Southern (Red States.) The Supreme Court is more balanced than you may think with some of the recent hearings. It could be a possibility, but as you mentioned. Getting people to turn the guns in would be the problem.

If the collective rights arguments / measures based on the same couldn't get past the Court in the 2000s then they have no chance now.

 

[Prevenger17]

Of course gun crime is a huge issue. The topics only come up when a big shooting happen though. Nobody cares when its happening right now as we speak with gangs, in neighborhoods, or simple crimes like robberies. I along with the next person would love for all gun crimes would be diminished. I usually don't speak my mind on it and I never give an opinion on any social media.

Lots of people care, and I'm not sure how highlighting your high rates of inner-city and gang related gun crime excuses almost total political inaction. At least you've tried to pretend you give an eff about it, but it amazes me how you lads can always fall short of endorsing the search for a solution

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[Grinch]

Lots of people care, and I'm not sure how highlighting your high rates of inner-city and gang related gun crime excuses almost total political inaction

Im not sure where you are from, but the only time people in America want action is when something big happens. No news channel except the local news will cover a shooting unless it classifies as a "Mass Shooting". Its not excusable but its reality.

 

[LinekersLegs]

These numbers are "fluffed". Of course Louisiana has high numbers. New Orleans and Baton Rouge are the most friendly places and lots of gang and drug violence goes on. Im sure Chicago, Detriot, and many other big cities are on the list due to this same issue.

And it is generally considered a serious issue by both those who live in those places and elsewhere.

Gun deaths comes in many forms - suicides, domestic violence, political/religious motivated mass events, gangs and crime etc. The specific ways each can be reduced are probably varied but the high availability and lethality of the guns make the issue of all of them worse.

 

[Prevenger17]

Im not sure where you are from, but the only time people in America want action is when something big happens. No news channel except the local news will cover a shooting unless it classifies as a "Mass Shooting". Its not excusable but its reality.

So, until these are covered to your satisfaction, it's best to wait it out?

 

[Prevenger17]

Demented stuff

 

[Grinch]

And it is generally considered a serious issue by both those who live in those places and elsewhere.

So, until these are covered to your satisfaction, it's best to wait it out?

Yes people care in the local areas but it doesn't get the "Big Media" attention. Change only happens when you take every murder or gun crime serious but people are so blinded by its normality that it just doesnt happen. And Prevenger, not once did I say wait it out. Ive stated multiple times that action needs to happen. I just cant think of a logical way of preventing these things in America. You have any ideas?

 

[Prevenger17]

And it is generally considered a serious issue by both those who live in those places and elsewhere.

It's a fairly typical line of thinking you see trotted out. Instead of confronting the issue head on, come up with all sorts of obfuscations like knife crime statistics in London, inner city crime, gang crime etc. until you're talking about something entirely different. I would be incredibly worried if my country collectively approached problems in that way

 

[larrygobfiend]

I understand what you are saying, but American politics are all messed up. Nothing gets done because interest, money, and other factors. Gun laws can be passed but like mentioned before, bad guys will still get guns in their hands through various routes. They can steal a gun from a person who owns it legally and is law abiding. Its honestly a tricky situation. Really not sure what route Congress can take for it.

I've heard this argument before and it's utter bollocks! Do you think the two geeks from yesterday would've been able to get hold of automatic weapons if there was a gun ban? Okay, there might be an occasional attack, but nothing on the scale that we've been seeing. A ban would cut attacks down to a couple a year imo.

 

[longers]

Tbh if guns were outright banned tomorrow it would take decades for them to actually be hard to get hold of due to how many are in circulation. Banning guns will work in long term but doubt it would have much effect in short term.

 

[Prevenger17]

You have any ideas?

I would say start small, like passing a single piece of gun legislation after decades of gun violence to just to see what it feels like. Stop guns being stocked in supermarkets. Are guns advertised, have a look at that. Look at background checks, limit gun purchases per household, try and implement compulsory training and licensing restrictions, restrict NRA lobbying practices, change conceal and carry laws, what about a nationwide scheme where people can trade in a few of their 30 guns for cash? These are just off the top of my head, I'm sure with a bit of imagination and a will, there's all sorts of avenues that could be looked at

 

[BlueTX]

Tbh if guns were outright banned tomorrow it would take decades for them to actually be hard to get hold of due to how many are in circulation. Banning guns will work in long term but doubt it would have much effect in short term.

Fair enough yet I don't think anyone serious about addressing the issue is advocating a single solution (not saying you are unserious) to the problem.