Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[LinekersLegs]

93% of guns used in gun related crimes are illegal.

Just because something is illegal, doesn't mean you can't obtain it. Sure I would say RPG's and grenades are not easy to get hold of illegally; but guns are. I'm really in fear of repeating myself here and its honestly getting boring, but you can quite easily obtain an illegal firearm if you wanted to pursue that. That's the bottom line really.

As you say very few guns used in crimes are legal.

However where murders are concerned there are two key exceptions - domestic violence or mass shootings. You are assuming that there will be a 100% replacement of these legal guns with illegal guns and so no reduction in the acts - I don't find that credible.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...-joe-scarborough-tiny-fraction-crimes-commit/
"I think it’s safe to say that a low percentage of criminal assaults and robberies are committed with guns that were acquired by legal purchase from a gun store," Cook said. Joseph Olson, a professor at Hamline University School of Law and former board member of the National Rifle Association, believes that the number of legally acquired firearms used by criminals is negligible."Criminals don’t go through background checks because they know they wouldn't pass them," Olson said.

Olson said with homicides, there are two key exceptions. Legal firearms are often found when the killings occur duing domestic violence or mass shootings.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

100% of Heroin related deaths are Heroin.

So you agree that we the people are the problem. That's the only thing I got from your post.

We could always pivot to a conversation about how Big Pharma is a legal drug dealer, so if we removed all illegal drugs from the country we'd still have the chosen few Big Pharma few getting rich off the drugged up masses.

But I digress.

 

[blue4eva77]

I have let this slide as well you seem to pull it from the sky without elaborating a source which i beleive you frantically googled like someone suggested.

Let me guess you got this fact from the Gun facts website right?

The website gun facts is run by Guy Smith a member of the NRA and a right wing activist who is against mainstream media.

Since 1999 some of the facts on his website have been found to be manipulated, misconstrued and false. He even cites the sources and if people had time they could go and read the full articles he bases his claims on.

Not exactly impartial with his findings considering every year he is one of the main speakers at the NRA main conference.

He is effectively a mouthpiece for their organisation

Are you still frantically searching and scrambling around to grab anything to ( as per you ) win your argument ?

Steve, will it make you feel better if I said you've won, you've got me ?

Its fine mate honestly. No problem.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Here are some places you can begin.

Start with a buy back option to get numbers down. Legal or illegal.
Put in place stricter background checks. This guys dad was a wanted felon, maybe there should be some sort of list that limits and tracks the amount and type of guns the kids of felons buy. (granted, I can see constitutional issues with this one)
Ban private sales.
Increase training requirements.
Mandatory safety classes every few years.
Allow home inspections to see how your gun(s) are stored.
Limit clip size.
Encourage recreational users to keep their guns at the range or club rather than at home.
and one fairly radical idea, gun insurance. You can't own a gun (or 10) without paying a monthly insurance premium.

Sure, a lot of these ideas wouldn't have stopped this guy but it's about changing the mindset, it'll take time but it'll never happen if we don't start somewhere.

It's b/c of the mindset that nothing's happened yet. But mindsets change. Not overnight. 50 years ago women smoked and drank while pregnant, now such women are looked at with contempt. We need to start somewhere.

 

[neil999]

93% of guns used in gun related crimes are illegal.

Just because something is illegal, doesn't mean you can't obtain it. Sure I would say RPG's and grenades are not easy to get hold of illegally; but guns are. I'm really in fear of repeating myself here and its honestly getting boring, but you can quite easily obtain an illegal firearm if you wanted to pursue that. That's the bottom line really.

Why not make grenades and rpgs legal?

 

[blue4eva77]

Anyways, lets leave it there.

This is getting quite boring now. We have differing opinions on things, that's all.

Prays and thoughts to the lives lost, and to the families involved in Las Vegas today.

 

[SteveSC]

Are you still frantically searching and scrambling around to grab anything to ( as per you ) win your argument ?

Steve, will it make you feel better if I said you've won, you've got me ?

Its fine mate honestly. No problem.

Good old deflection. Try make it personal or make the other person look silly to feel good about your weak point got it.

Win my argument. What are you on about? You are the one intent on "winning" by trying to force the exact same point on people even when proved otherwise and all this while not really addressing their rebuttals.

How ironic you think i am scrambling for information considering you have the poor argument and so far what 5 people have proved you wrong but sure whatever you think and makes you sleep at night.

Hey continue to ignore the other valid points form others and post the exact same rhetoric to them and feel good about yourself but yeah i'm the won that needs to win right?

 

[blue4eva77]

Good old deflection. Try make it personal or make the other person look silly to feel good about your weak point got it.

Win my argument. What are you on about? You are the one intent on "winning" by trying to force the exact same point on people even when proved otherwise and all this while not really addressing their rebuttals.

How ironic you think i am scrambling for information considering you have the poor argument and so far what 5 people have proved you wrong but sure whatever you think and makes you sleep at night.

Hey continue to ignore the other valid points form others and post the exact same rhetoric to them and feel good about yourself but yeah i'm the won that needs to win right?

Look back on the post you quoted saying some bollocks about me wanting to win an argument. Little childish and I pulled you on it.

You've won Steve, let's move on.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[The binman chronicles]

What scares the crap out of me is presumably people like him are trying to gain the notoriety of being the person that has killed the most people in one of these type attacks. The new target for the next sicko is 58+.

If the right to bear arms is sacrosanct then ok but that is completely different to the right to own automatic weapons that can fire hundreds of bullets in a short space of time.

 

[SteveSC]

Look back on the post you quoted saying some bollocks about me wanting to win an argument. Little childish and I pulled you on it.

You've won Steve, let's move on.

I referred to you thinking you triggering people was winning. It was sarcasm because you used the word "triggered".

As for winning in general no one can win the tired debate of gun control with someone who doesn't want to do anything because he thinks it won't work.

Not that its about winning again not sure where you got that.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

What scares the crap out of me is presumably people like him are trying to gain the notoriety of being the person that has killed the most people in one of these type attacks. The new target for the next sicko is 58+.

If the right to bear arms is sacrosanct then ok but that is completely different to the right to own automatic weapons that can fire hundreds of bullets in a short space of time.

Bingo

The 2nd Amendment came to pass at a time when what's happening now was impossible to predict. Think about what we're going to look out for in 2217. I cannot imagine our forefathers had semi automatic weapons in mind when they were granting each citizen the right to have a musket at his house

 

[Dylan]

Because there's profit in it, financial and, particularly in America's case, political.

It's only political because there is profit.

 

[Dylan]

I claimed that banning firearms wouldn't change the minds of the sick individuals carrying out these acts.

I also claimed ( in the post you quoted ) that if I wanted to, I could get a hold of an illegal firearm. Its sadly that easy ( no bragging here ).

So If I, a regular, hard working, tax paying joe can get hold of an illegal firearm that easily, I'm almost positive that anyone can if they wanted to.

Whatever! It isn't like the criminal gangs have shops setup. You, an unknown, walking into criminal territory and wanting to buy illegal firearms....they will probably beat the crap out of you and leave you on the street rather than sell a single gun to you.

 

[longers]

Whatever! It isn't like the criminal gangs have shops setup. You, an unknown, walking into criminal territory and wanting to buy illegal firearms....they will probably beat the crap out of you and leave you on the street rather than sell a single gun to you.

I've got friends in Hartford, New England who say scoring an illegal gun is as easy as scoring weed in the UK... i.e.: ridiculously easy