Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[LinekersLegs]

Tweets aren't showing on my phone so could you summarise it or screen shot please? Any such interpretation in law is worrying though.

NRS 202.4415 Acts of terrorism defined
1 "Acts of terrorism" means any act that involves the use or attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to
A) cause great bodily harm or death to the general population

 

[blue4eva77]

It's this kind of logic that completely exasperates those who believe that gun control should something that we should obviously strive for. Sure, you can't eradicate mass killings. But shouldn't we as a society reduce their likelihood of occurring? You cannot possibly come up with any argument that says more gun control would HAVE to have a positive impact (positive meaning less of them) on mass killings. If more gun control just stops ONE guy from shooting up a movie theater and killing 20 people, isn't that obviously worth it?

But no, in our black/white, mutually exclusive way of looking at issues, it's either you get rid of all mass shooting, or don't bother with gun control. It's just exhausting having these arguments.

I'm all for it. Where do you begin ?

Banning firearms and having strict policies to hand in your weapons ? As I posted earlier. Good luck with that.

 

[roydo]

Hey ? Where did I say that.

My whole agenda here is that its my opinion that banning firearms wouldn't stop gun related crimes and mass shootings. That's it. That's just my opinion. No where have I said that I think gun laws are sound here in the U.S.

Well only a fantasist would say banning anything would stop folk doing it. So get you on that.

But its the acceptance that having a gun heavy society is actually a good thing. Its the normalisation of owning a gun, outside of sport/hunting, that we find weird. But the US has had, apparently, 1400 mass shootings in not that many years.

The common denominator cannot be that there are more nut jobs in the US than anywhere else. The common denominator is the normalisation of gun ownership.

 

[Amw79]

I'm all for it. Where do you begin ?

Banning firearms and having strict policies to hand in your weapons ? As I posted earlier. Good luck with that.

Yeah, that’s probably a good place to begin.

 

[SteveSC]

Because I simply don't there is anything you can do to stop anyone from illegally obtaining a firearm, no matter what the law says. The strong stance is that you'll still SEE gun related crime. You'll still SEE mass shootings, even if it were illegal to own a firearm.

I'm lolling at the last sentence too. Because now you're judging all kinds. 1-10 for the attempt to troll and bait because you're a little triggered by my posts this afternoon.

Triggered by your posts now you are being a comedian.

Your whole argument is laughable really and i am not one bit riled up or "triggered" as you put it.

Obviously you got your stats from googling and reading the first 3 or 4 results for the little information you provided us all. So its funny you think you are winning or making people get "triggered".

 

[PhilM]

Not according to the media, when a dude rams his car into protesters who are opposed to his beliefs seems to me no different to other 'terror' attacks around Europe I.e Nice and Berlin.

Just should be some consistency or is there something more sinister?

Members, associates or followed of ISIS have political and religious goals based on their eschatological beliefs. Their actions, in their belief, are a key component in the fulilfment of their apocalyptical interpretation of scriptures.

Not to go into too much detail, but they are attempting to incite a battle with the Romans (us Westerners) which they'll lose. After that, in their view, Allah will come and revert to the original caliphate. So, anything and everything they do has an end goal - it's not an individualist act of violence. Hence why it's terrorism.

 

[blue4eva77]

I assume this guy wanted to kill as many people as possible, so why didn't he get hold of a bazooka and some grenades as well? Could it be that they are illegal and so he couldn't???

93% of guns used in gun related crimes are illegal.

Just because something is illegal, doesn't mean you can't obtain it. Sure I would say RPG's and grenades are not easy to get hold of illegally; but guns are. I'm really in fear of repeating myself here and its honestly getting boring, but you can quite easily obtain an illegal firearm if you wanted to pursue that. That's the bottom line really.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I'm all for it. Where do you begin ?

Banning firearms and having strict policies to hand in your weapons ? As I posted earlier. Good luck with that.

The problem with the problem is we don't even begin anything. We instead jump to the conclusion nothing can be done.

So the cycle continues.

So instead of saying we don't need gun control b/c "where do we begin", we need to admit we have a problem, which is probably where we should begin. Then we can begin to do something about it. Instead of doing nothing. Which finds us where we are now.

 

[Karbutar]

Because I simply don't there is anything you can do to stop anyone from illegally obtaining a firearm, no matter what the law says. The strong stance is that you'll still SEE gun related crime. You'll still SEE mass shootings, even if it were illegal to own a firearm.

It's easier to obtain weapons when they are legal, and sold in several shops in each city. Going through a process to acquire a illegal weapon takes much longer and at a higher cost, and would therefore remove most of the murders that happen in spontaneous situations and rage since they wouldn't have an easily accessible weapon at hand.

You can obviously not stop mass murderers/psychopaths who plan to murder people, but the amount of death would be drastically lowered by adding firmer laws and making it harder to obtain guns.

And yes, it might be easy to obtain illegal weapons in USA right now, since it's such large quantity of weapons available in the country. Banning and destroying guns would, in time, make it much harder than it is now.

 

[blue4eva77]

Triggered by your posts now you are being a comedian.

Your whole argument is laughable really and i am not one bit riled up or "triggered" as you put it.

Obviously you got your stats from googling and reading the first 3 or 4 results for the little information you provided us all. So its funny you think you are winning or making people get "triggered".

Winning ?

Good grief.

 

[blue4eva77]

It's easier to obtain weapons when they are legal, and sold in several shops in each city. Going through a process to acquire a illegal weapon takes much longer and at a higher cost, and would therefore remove most of the murders that happen in spontaneous situations and rage since they wouldn't have an easily accessible weapon at hand.

You can obviously not stop mass murderers/psychopaths who plan to murder people, but the amount of death would be drastically lowered by adding firmer laws and making it harder to obtain guns.

Which is the whole point of this thread. It's still going to continue.

Its the sad truth.

 

[roydo]

93% of guns used in gun related crimes are illegal.

100% of gun related deaths are guns.

 

[SteveSC]

93% of guns used in gun related crimes are illegal.

Just because something is illegal, doesn't mean you can't obtain it. Sure I would say RPG's and grenades are not easy to get hold of illegally; but guns are. I'm really in fear of repeating myself here and its honestly getting boring, but you can quite easily obtain an illegal firearm if you wanted to pursue that. That's the bottom line really.

I have let this slide as well you seem to pull it from the sky without elaborating a source which i beleive you frantically googled like someone suggested.

Let me guess you got this fact from the Gun facts website right?

The website gun facts is run by Guy Smith a member of the NRA and a right wing activist who is against mainstream media.

Since 1999 some of the facts on his website have been found to be manipulated, misconstrued and false. He even cites the sources and if people had time they could go and read the full articles he bases his claims on.

Not exactly impartial with his findings considering every year he is one of the main speakers at the NRA main conference.

He is effectively a mouthpiece for their organisation

 

[blue4eva77]

100% of gun related deaths are guns.

100% of Heroin related deaths are Heroin.

So you agree that we the people are the problem. That's the only thing I got from your post.

 

[Ruairi77]

I'm all for it. Where do you begin ?

Banning firearms and having strict policies to hand in your weapons ? As I posted earlier. Good luck with that.

Here are some places you can begin.

Start with a buy back option to get numbers down. Legal or illegal.
Put in place stricter background checks. This guys dad was a wanted felon, maybe there should be some sort of list that limits and tracks the amount and type of guns the kids of felons buy. (granted, I can see constitutional issues with this one)
Ban private sales.
Increase training requirements.
Mandatory safety classes every few years.
Allow home inspections to see how your gun(s) are stored.
Limit clip size.
Encourage recreational users to keep their guns at the range or club rather than at home.
and one fairly radical idea, gun insurance. You can't own a gun (or 10) without paying a monthly insurance premium.

Sure, a lot of these ideas wouldn't have stopped this guy but it's about changing the mindset, it'll take time but it'll never happen if we don't start somewhere.