Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[Tramps_mate]

Clearly I remember
Picking on the boy
Seemed a harmless little f***

You know that was a true story yeah?

 

[SteveSC]

Sure whatever you say buddy.

However, more to the point. These lunatics carrying out these acts are not your ' regular ' joe.

.... and you are incredibly naïve to think otherwise.

Whatever i say haha!! Great response you are so full of it man.

Honestly you make a point about "tax paying regular people" being able to get illegal guns i tell you its not that easy and you try to twist it and say you were talking about the nuts who are trying to get them haha!!

Ok i will use your phrase what was it " Sure whatever you say buddy"

You are so full of manure mate.

 

[joey_macmo]

I claimed that banning firearms wouldn't change the minds of the sick individuals carrying out these acts.

I also claimed ( in the post you quoted ) that if I wanted to, I could get a hold of an illegal firearm. Its sadly that easy ( no bragging here ).

So If I, a regular, hard working, tax paying joe can get hold of an illegal firearm that easily, I'm almost positive that anyone can if they wanted to.

No you claimed banning them wouldn’t effect availability which is insane.

You’ve also refused to address the point that the vast majority of guns used in mass shootings are obtained legally. Some are then altered which makes them an illegal gun another point you’ve yet to address.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I claimed that banning firearms wouldn't change the minds of the sick individuals carrying out these acts.

I also claimed ( in the post you quoted ) that if I wanted to, I could get a hold of an illegal firearm. Its sadly that easy ( no bragging here ).

So If I, a regular, hard working, tax paying joe can get hold of an illegal firearm that easily, I'm almost positive that anyone can if they wanted to.

But here's the rub:

Gun ownership and our love affair with guns has provided a culture where this is the case. However, we need to look 10, 20, 50 years down the road, to a time where if certain things are done now, perhaps we won't have this love affair with guns culture we have now. We have to start somewhere, but the argument that's won out to this point is that "guns are such a part of our culture it'll never change." Well that banging our head into a wall logic, so of course nothing will change. Madness and all that.

 

[Tramps_mate]

How can banning guns reduce availability!?!?

Seriously?

As it is there are technicalities that allow possession of weapons that by any definition cannot be described as 'for self defence', making them illegal means if found they can be confiscated. Taking profit away reduces the incentive to produce, reducing availability. It's quite simple.
The earlier comparison to grabbing a bag of beak is ludicrous, someone wants to fry their brains there is limited collateral damage until you get to the minutiae, then it becomes economic again.
The alternative is to do what exactly? Maintain the status quo? Follow the NRA vested interest stance? As with narcotics, take away the profit and things change organically.

Just ban the ammunition production and sale. Guns are useless then!

 

[PhilM]

Why is the Vegas attack not reported as a terrorist attack ? Blasting loads of bullets at random people killing 58+ seems to me to reach that criteria

As I said earlier, terrorism is the use of, or threat of, violence to cause fear in the pursuit of a political aim.

Unfortunately however, sometimes it's a person with no political aim or desire; rather it's pure unnecessary violence for individual reasons.

Labelling it terrorism without meeting the above criteria does not help the situation as we need to clearly distinguish between the two.

 

[abelard]

Why is the Vegas attack not reported as a terrorist attack ? Blasting loads of bullets at random people killing 58+ seems to me to reach that criteria

It's probably actually irresponsible at this point to use 'terrorism' to describe acts with white perpetrators.

It would certainly need to be explained, with subtle care, that the aggressor was not just a terrorist, but also white.

For so many people, the term is already so linked with brown people that if the TV tells them a 'terrorist' killed 60 people in Vegas, they'll just assume it must have a been a Muslim, and lash out accordingly.

 

[blue4eva77]

Lots of gun related deaths/injuries - organised crime, petty crime, domestic/workplace violence, mass-shootings, terrorist attacks, accidents, suicide.

Of course different strategies will work on different root causes and in none of these situations will anything be 100% effective. But surely reduction alone is worthwhile and ways to achieve it should be discussed?

Personally believe gun training, gun storage and ammunition supply are under discussed as methods - the first two wouldn't have done anything to stop this incident but the latter might have reduced its severity, have to see what more comes out about the weapons.

What do you mean by reduction ?

Reduction of firearms per household ? reduction of sellers ? Reduction of what.

 

[Khalekan]

They tried gun control in Venezuela and it didn't work. We might as well give up

-blue4eva77, 2017

Yes, like if it did not work in Caracas no way it will work any place else, no sir

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

What do you mean by reduction ?

Reduction of firearms per household ? reduction of sellers ? Reduction of what.

Yes

 

[Toffeeslam]

As I said earlier, terrorism is the use of, or threat of, violence to cause fear in the pursuit of a political aim.

Unfortunately however, sometimes it's a person with no political aim or desire; rather it's pure unnecessary violence for individual reasons.

Labelling it terrorism without meeting the above criteria does not help the situation as we need to clearly distinguish between the two.

You maybe right but Charlottesville was not reported as such as well and that was deffo ideology based.

 

[magicjuan]

Oh so only automatic weapons can be used in mass murders ?

No. Chemicals and explosives too, but no one has called for the banning of bleach and horsesh1t. You're trying unsuccesfully to be a smartarse.. play the game properly please.

 

[LinekersLegs]

What do you mean by reduction ?

Reduction of firearms per household ? reduction of sellers ? Reduction of what.

Reduction of deaths and injuries.

Background checks have been found to have some impact on them for instance -
The best evidence comes from Missouri, which in 2007 repealed a decades-old law requiring background checks for all gun purchases. A 2013 study from researchers at Johns Hopkins found that the repeal led to a 23 percent increase in gun homicide, the equivalent of 55 to 63 additional gun deaths per year. (Non-gun homicides, which shouldn’t have been as affected by the law, didn’t increase.)

 

[roydo]

I asked you earlier, and you didnt reply. But, are you happy with the level of gun related deaths in the US?

@blue4eva77

 

[magicjuan]

Scanned a few of the US nutjob sites who are linking the murderer to Antifa. Antifa? Lordy...