I would say in a country where abnormal gun massacres happen with frequent regularity, a discussion about the ready availability of guns would be a start. But maybe there's an angle I just don't see
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I would say in a country where abnormal gun massacres happen with frequent regularity, a discussion about the ready availability of guns would be a start. But maybe there's an angle I just don't see
blue4eva77
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Roydo, the mass ownership is irrelevant. I've stated that 93% of guns used in gun related crimes are illegal. You don't have to own a gun to commit a crime.
Its just my opinion and thoughts here. I just don't think banning firearms in the U.S will make one iota of a difference to that crazed nutter who wants to commit these acts.
blue4eva77
Yarmolenko ? Yes please
There will always be availability.
Its absolutely impossible to tell and you'd be guessing, but out of the 350 + million firearms in the U.S, how many would you say are illegal ?
I don't know, but I assume you've finished your frantic googling and you are going to blow my mind
roydo
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blue4eva77
Yarmolenko ? Yes please
No mate I was merely just asking a question that is impossible to answer, like I stated in the post your quoted.
My point was to remind you that you can ban them all you want, guns will be available.
As I posted earlier, fully automatic weapons have been effectively banned for quite a long time. That law seems to have done a pretty good job of reducing the supply of those weapons in circulation (both legal and illegal - not many crimes have been committed by illegal automatic weapons either in recent years).
Obviously it doesn't stop all, as looks to be in this case, but it appears to have moved those with murderous/criminal aims to semi automatic weapons which are much easier to get both legally and illegally. That has almost certainly saved a lot of lives over the years unless you believe it a pure accident that the largest number killed/injured in a mass shooting is one of the rare instances where a fully automatic weapon has been used.
I doubt the political climate is such where any category of semi-automatic can be banned. But I find the claim that "banning won't make any difference" contradicted by the full automatic experience.
magicjuan
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Because there's profit in it, financial and, particularly in America's case, political.
And do you think there's anything... unusual about the availability of high powered assault rifles in the US compared to their availability of them in other developed countries?
You do realise that so far thew authorities have said that the weapons found were legal but were altered illegally right?
Of the last 4 big incidents in the US 3 of them the weapons used were owned by the shooter or they had access to them via family members.
The thing that was illegal in 2 of them including last nights was they were altered.
One of the others was the person may have been mentally ill and had no business having access to firearms.
Not sure where this whole argument about illegal firearms started but it doesn't matter. In the majority of the incidents in the last few years curtailing access or stringent access may have helped.
Tougher ID laws, How many you can purchase, the types of weapons that can be purchased etc... small things like that would have helped here possibly.
Yes he may have turned to the streets but honestly how many people know how to buy from the black market? And would the black market sell to him in bulk?
blue4eva77
Yarmolenko ? Yes please
The second highest rate of firearm-related deaths is found in Venezuela (highest being Honduras) where 59.13 deaths caused by guns occur for every 100,000 people yearly. In this country, roughly 10.7% of the population is a registered gun owner. To combat these incidences, the government banned gun ownership in 2012. They stopped selling guns and ammunition and set up centers for citizens to turn in their guns. This move did nothing to curb homicide rates which continued to increase. Not everybody turned in their guns and of the 3.2 million privately-owned guns, half are registered to police or military personnel, and the other half are unregistered.
So how do you ban something that is already in circulation within the population ?
The NRA buying politicians is the core of the problem here
With no disrespect you are using two countries that have completely different social and economic setups to draw parallels or well set an example.
Both of those countries have massive issues with poverty.
They also have gang wars much larger than the US. Actually their gangs stem from those shipped back by the US government in the 90's
They also have bad governments both of which are either in turmoil or close to it.
joey_macmo
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Totally misleading statistic, a gun can be bought legally in one city & transported to another in the same state yet it becomes illegal.
The more telling stat is that according to research 82% of mass shootings over the past 30 years have involved legally obtained guns.
joey_macmo
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That doesn’t back up what you claimed thought
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