Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

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blue4eva77 said:
Not as much as I've been lolling at the post's saying that banning firearms will stop not only gun related crimes, but gun massacres.
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That's extremely disingenuous to the discussion that has proposed banning automatic weapons would reduce the likelihood of repeat mass murders. Next you'll be blaming Antifa for the shooting...
 
joey_macmo said:
That doesn’t back up what you claimed thought
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I claimed that banning firearms wouldn't change the minds of the sick individuals carrying out these acts.

I also claimed ( in the post you quoted ) that if I wanted to, I could get a hold of an illegal firearm. Its sadly that easy ( no bragging here ).

So If I, a regular, hard working, tax paying joe can get hold of an illegal firearm that easily, I'm almost positive that anyone can if they wanted to.
 
Toffeeslam said:
Why is the Vegas attack not reported as a terrorist attack ? Blasting loads of bullets at random people killing 58+ seems to me to reach that criteria
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Probably because in America the word "terrorist" seems to be reserved for Muslims in some minds.

So the media will never suggest it and Law enforcement don't ever want to open that can of worms.

If the person is white or christian they cannot be terrorists i guess.
 
blue4eva77 said:
I claimed that banning firearms wouldn't change the minds of the sick individuals carrying out these acts.

I also claimed ( in the post you quoted ) that if I wanted to, I could get a hold of an illegal firearm. Its sadly that easy ( no bragging here ).

So If I, a regular, hard working, tax paying joe can get hold of an illegal firearm that easily, I'm almost positive that anyone can if they wanted to.
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I call BS on this quite frankly.

Unless of course you are talking about borrowing a friends gun or taking a friends gun without their knowledge or know people who have unregistered guns.

Getting them from the "streets" is not easy for regular people. You may be watching too many Hollywood movies.
 
blue4eva77 said:
Not as much as I've been lolling at the post's saying that banning firearms will stop not only gun related crimes, but gun massacres.
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Lots of gun related deaths/injuries - organised crime, petty crime, domestic/workplace violence, mass-shootings, terrorist attacks, accidents, suicide.

Of course different strategies will work on different root causes and in none of these situations will anything be 100% effective. But surely reduction alone is worthwhile and ways to achieve it should be discussed?

Personally believe gun training, gun storage and ammunition supply are under discussed as methods - the first two wouldn't have done anything to stop this incident but the latter might have reduced its severity, have to see what more comes out about the weapons.
 
steveojcc said:
With no disrespect you are using two countries that have completely different social and economic setups to draw parallels or well set an example.

Both of those countries have massive issues with poverty.

They also have gang wars much larger than the US. Actually their gangs stem from those shipped back by the US government in the 90's

They also have bad governments both of which are either in turmoil or close to it.
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Take your point, but the US has a lot more in common with the rest of the Americas that we are always led to believe.

Read, for example, this recent article on what is happening in Guatemala, and tell me it doesn't remind you of someone ; )

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...my-morales-order-expel-head-un-body-suspended

"Guatemala has fallen into deep political crisis after the president declared the United Nations-backed anti-corruption chief investigating him and his party persona non grata, only to have the expulsion order blocked hours later by the country’s constitutional court.

Jimmy Morales, a former comedian who was elected president two years ago after the previous government was toppled by corruption charges, was left fighting for his political survival – and freedom – on Sunday after the failed attempt to oust head of the International Commission against Impunity in Guatemala (CICIG), Iván Velásquez.

Morales announced the expulsion of the respected Colombian prosecutor via a video posted on his Twitter account in the early hours of Sunday morning. He also announced that he was firing the foreign minister for failing to carry out the expulsion, replacing him with an ally who is under investigation for illegal adoptions.

The announcements were made less than 48 hours after Velásquez and Thelma Aldana, the attorney general, asked the court to strip Morales of his political immunity in order to proceed with charges linked to illegal campaign funds allegedly received by his political party the National Convergence Front (FCN) during the 2015 election

Prosecutors allege that Morales has refused to account for more than $800,000 (£620,000) in campaign financing and had hidden his own party’s accounts. Morales, who ran for president under the slogan “neither corrupt nor a crook”, has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing."

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Anyhow, I agree that trying to reduce the amount of guns in circulation is a noble goal, but I'm skeptical it will have much effect, certainly not in the short-term. It may still be worth the effort, but it has to be carried out extremely tactfully, and thoughtfully. The United States does not currently enjoy a national consensus on reality, and legislation like this is precisely what scores of fanatical gun-owners have been primed for decades to fear. It would be their 'four horsemen.'

Many gun-owners, even semi-automatic weapons owners, are more or less responsible. That doesn't make living there feel any safer (and of course, the United States does just about everything it can to aggravate mental health issues, but that's a separate issue). But if these gun-owners so much as got a whiff of a rumour that the government was coming to take their guns away, then thousands of people would immediately go from armed to 'armed and dangerous.'

The Australian precedent always gets cited, but the gun owners I knew in rural upstate New York and New Hampshire are an entirely different breed. They seemed like would literally rather martyr themselves in a glorious hail than surrender to any authority. It is such a part of the culture in so many parts of the country, and intimately linked to masculinity itself, which, for a variety of reasons, is perceived to be under constant threat. I can't think of any other issue so sensitive in US politics - it's the third rail's third rail.

You might as well be asking them to turn in their penises instead.

To an already alienated, detached, and paranoid section of the population, the Australian model would amount to a declaration of war. And it's a lot easier getting into wars than getting back out of them.
 
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steveojcc said:
I call BS on this quite frankly.

Unless of course you are talking about borrowing a friends gun or taking a friends gun without their knowledge or know people who have unregistered guns.

Getting them from the "streets" is not easy for regular people. You may be watching too many Hollywood movies.
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Sure whatever you say buddy.

However, more to the point. These lunatics carrying out these acts are not your ' regular ' joe.

.... and you are incredibly naïve to think otherwise.
 
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