what's the difference?
I only mentioned 3 because that's more damning. I was trying to point out how messed up the system is.
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I only mentioned 3 because that's more damning. I was trying to point out how messed up the system is.
Ah got you, well they are saying 44% from 2% winning, so it may be tighter than 3. I mean it's seems very subtle, but given how close this will be, 1% point will probabaly be quite important. 2.5% is probably a tipping point.
Repiblicans tend to do better in the EC, but you feel at some point Texas flips and when it does, that probably reverses.
BirkenheadBlue
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this is.... horrifying
yea, because people think he's terrible.
What's your point?
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I've learned over the past 4 years that no-one wants to hear anything positive about trump. It's not debate about it , it's just one sided. That's why I tend to stay away from the trump thread lol
To me the presidency has become less about the politics and more about the president. Obama was overwhelmingly popular , partly down to his skin colour but majorly because he was a lovely man. Was his 8 years genuinely productive? I can't say for certain yes or no but the general feeling I got afterwards reading opinions pieces was that he didn't really do much but looked good doing it.
Trump , people focus on him and not what he is doing. I've seen many good things from economic growth to prison reform to simply attacking long standing politicians that weren't good for America. The training the swamp element of it all. Similar needs doing in the UK but that's a different topic.
What I'm trying to say is that people hate trump for trump , not the politics. Some people will hate his politics but the general opinion of trump is based on him specifically. If you hate the man fine , he isn't the most pleasant man and much like the north hating a tory, it's to be expected. But I rarely see anyone attack trump for his politics , noone ever talks about the good he has done. Which is what I mean about history looking favourably on him, even if it's only 4 years worth.
He probably won't go down as the best president in history sure and if you feel he is the worst then that's politics, there is no right answer. I can't say personally if he is good or bad because I'm not in the country to see for myself. I can only talk from how it's all presented.
Which is where I see Biden being similar in image. Sure he is the better option it seems in American minds and if that is so then hopefully the election reflects that. But is he a president? Is he that inspirational leader who can lead the country? I don't think so , but his vp may be strong willed enough to guide him there.
This is politics after all, no right answer and everyone disagrees.
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Given trump is universally hated , it's no surprise people are backing his opponent in record numbers to get rid of trump!
So that means nothing. It's pretty clear America don't want trump in charge.
Ok,
Obamas 8 years was very productive. He dragged the nation out of recession. He left the country in way better shape than he found it.
On Trump,
Prison reform, he simply continued Obamas policy. I suppose he deserves thanks for not scrapping it.
On Draining the swamp, don't make me laugh...
He attacks everyone who slights him, it's nothing to do with whats good for America
Trump had every opportunity to be a great president. If he had just shifted to the center and governed all Americans, he would have been very successful.
Sure, people would hate his style (me) but he would have earned himself a second term. Instead he governed for his base and drove division.
So people definitely hate him for his politics.
If it's being presented to you that Trump is doing a lot of good including draining the swamp, you need to check what sources you get your news.
Nobody in here thinks Biden is inspirational. Though how he recovered from personal setbacks is pretty inspiring, but most think he's a decent man.
He's Putins stooge.
no, it doesn't mean nothing. It shows how universally hated Trump is.
Yes, the majority of Americans don't want him in charge but thanks to our archaic system, we might get him.
Biden's fundraising numbers are astronomical and definitely worthy of mention.
If you want to poke holes in it, I suggest you take the campaign finance reform angle because anyone spending that much on a campaign is gross.
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Unreal, there’s genuinely people who are actually gullible/blind enough to stand up and try to claim that Trump has “drained the swamp”
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I haven't seen the pollster's methodology but on the face of it I'd be disinclined to believe those numbers.
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peteblue
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I think so, yes....
Fair enough mate. I can certainly see the argument.
If you want my view (FWIW) I think this BLM/police stuff is very complex and a lot of things have to fall into favour to go one way or another. Strangely Trump my benefit more by saying nothing than something.
This is anecdotal and comes with the bias that it's essentially lose to what I think, but I suspect "middle America" probably hold the view that the police are wrong for killing back people, rioters/violent protestors are wrong (but peaceful protestors are good) and that the the armed militia's formed by Trump supporters are also wrong. Thats what I suspect apolitical people will see.
There are lots of layers to uncode in that, to shift the narrative to Trump. Were it a more orthodox Republican, say Romney, Jeb Bush etc, without Trumps baggage I do think they would be able to push the dial more. He has baggage though, and almost seems to revel in the baggage. The more he's off tele, and people sort of forget the more ridiculous things he says, the better.
The economy point is a good one though. American's aren;t feeling the pinch yet, and in honesty I think the economy is actually overrated as a detirminant of elections. I think if he goes on the offensive on a kind of "build a great economy again" line that could be quite fruitful.
There's certainly ground to be done with the law and order stuff, Clinton did well on it and Reegan also won on that basis. I also think, in essence racialising the question (and essentially putting out anti-back racist messaging) in a predominately white country that is quite inherently racist in many parts is also probably not his worst idea. However, my view is, he probably lacks the skill to navigate the law and order position in a tactful and reasoned manner.
We will see though. I said on here about 4 weeks ago when Biden had a big lead not to count Trump out. He would eat into the lead, it was a question of how much.I hold the same view, Biden is favourite but by no means a certainty.
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