Current Affairs The 2020 United States Presidential Election

[ChesterBlue]

Might just be me then but literally nothing has changed in my life having lived under Blair, Bush, Obama, Brown, Cameron, Bojo Trump etc.

And I can guarantee nothing will change for me when Starmer gets into downing street next election either.

Modern politics is a way for people to still feel like they have some control/influence on things when in reality us plebs will always be plebs regardless of which rich bloke is in power.

I lived in Liverpool centre from November 2016 till November 2019 and saw a very noticeable rise in homelessness and a very noticeable decrease in police during nights out.

I’m 28 now, and at 18 in 2010 you barely ever heard about food banks, but now you have full time workers, (including NHS nurses) who don’t get paid enough to live without the help of food banks.

Tuition fees went up from 3k a year, to 9k a year, making it harder for people from a working class background to be able to get a degree, the tories have also changed grants into repayable loans.

I’d say there has been marked changes for the worse under consecutive Tory governments personally.

Edit - further to the above, look at the rise of QAnon and fake news (and essentially the rise of fascism) under Trump. He’s opened Pandora’s box in the same way brexit did, and the world has suffered for these scum paving the way for far right nut jobs to get in, look at Bolsanaro, Salvini, the Pegida movement, Marine Le Pen etc.

 

[ToffeeTim]

They're not in the same league, and should barely exist in the same sentence as each other. Trump inhabits a whole planet of crapness that Biden couldn't see with a telescope

That's fair, although this election would be one of the most one sided in history if the Dems had picked a better candidate.

Lots will only vote for Biden because he's not Trump, but that could be a little problematic as people might not be that enthusiastic and decide they actually can't be bothered to go out and vote tomorrow. I don't think this will stop Biden winning, but there is still a slight chance he could lose.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I lived in Liverpool centre from November 2016 till November 2019 and saw a very noticeable rise in homelessness and a very noticeable decrease in police during nights out.

I’m 28 now, and at 18 in 2010 you barely ever heard about food banks, but now you have full time workers, (including NHS nurses) who don’t get paid enough to live without the help of food banks.

Tuition fees went up from 3k a year, to 9k a year, making it harder for people from a working class background to be able to get a degree, the tories have also changed grants into repayable loans.

I’d say there has been marked changes for the worse under consecutive Tory governments personally.

Current rules on university education are completely fair and if what you are saying was true, then I'd never have been able to go.

You only pay back when you earn a decent salary - that's fair.

Why should the taxpayer fund it for us? Surely those who actually go should pay, and those who don't go shouldn't?

There also still are grants for those less well off. But yes most get loans, which mostly end up written off down the line anyway.

 

[Kenshin]

That's absolutely not what I meant at all. Do you ever read back what you type? For example, I have no idea what the following means;

'Biden will win , the young vote will swing it this time around no doubt. But brace yourself for 4 more years of trump as well, because clearly he will have support far more than America believe themselves'

I mean, 'Biden will win, but brace yourself for 4 more years of Trump as well' - are they going to share the Presidency? And the second part in bold doesn't make sense, it's just random words thrown together.

No.

It means I think Biden will win based on the increased young vote this time around.

However trump may well win because America have convinced themselves that noone likes trump to the extent that these polls being posted on here are almost hope for people that trump has no chance he will win.

Noone actually knows how much support trump has in America.

So brace yourself for a trump win against all the odds.

You know that's what I meant, you are just being stubborn lol

 

[ChesterBlue]

Current rules on university education are completely fair and if what you are saying was true, then I'd never have been able to go.

You only pay back when you earn a decent salary - that's fair.

Why should the taxpayer fund it for us? Surely those who actually go should pay, and those who don't go shouldn't?

There also still are grants for those less well off. But yes most get loans, which mostly end up written off down the line anyway.

I only got to go due to the welsh government grants, as they refused to allow the 9k a year bs.

Do you seriously believe any university outside of the top red brick universities is worth 9k a year?

Completely fair? In France university is about €600 a term. Are the French uneducated compared to us? In Germany it’s a similar price. Are the Germans uneducated too?

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

No.

It means I think Biden will win based on the increased young vote this time around.

However trump may well win because America have convinced themselves that noone likes trump to the extent that these polls being posted on here are almost hope for people that trump has no chance he will win.

Noone actually knows how much support trump has in America.

So brace yourself for a trump win against all the odds.

You know that's what I meant, you are just being stubborn lol

Mate, I genuinely didn't know what you meant at all. If I'm being honest, that's quite often the case with your posts. And judging by the responses you regularly get on here, I don't think I'm the only one who struggles to catch your drift sometimes.

Anyway thanks for clarifying what you meant, I appreciate it.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I only got to go due to the welsh government grants, as they refused to allow the 9k a year bs.

Do you seriously believe any university outside of the top red brick universities is worth 9k a year?

Completely fair? In France university is about €600 a term. Are the French uneducated compared to us? In Germany it’s a similar price. Are the Germans uneducated too?

You don't pay a penny for fees when you go. You only pay back your student loan at 9% of everything earned over about £19.5k. So if you earn say £20k a year, you pay back about £3.50 a month. No one is stopped from going to university on financial grounds, that's not true. Although if you want to have extra money to spend on other things while at university, then you'll probably have to find a part time job. I would have been short if I didn't work every weekend.

No I don't agree £9k is an accurate price for the service provided. But it has no impact on the point you start paying back, and means most will have the deficit written off after 25 years. Only those earning very good money will pay it all back inside the 25 years, but again I'd argue that's fair.

 

[Moomin]

Mate, I genuinely didn't know what you meant at all. If I'm being honest, that's quite often the case with your posts. And judging by the responses you regularly get on here, I don't think I'm the only one who struggles to catch your drift sometimes.

Anyway thanks for clarifying what you meant, I appreciate it.

He gets his views on American politics from this fruit loop.

Which by the way according to him is balanced and unbiased.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I'm pretty sure the polls are wrong, and are overstating the Biden lead. But they need to be so badly wrong for Trump to win that I can't see it.

It is possible Trump gets all the right votes in the right places to win the right states, but it's a less than one in ten chance I'd say.

 

[degsy]

I'm pretty sure the polls are wrong, and are overstating the Biden lead. But they need to be so badly wrong for Trump to win that I can't see it.

It is possible Trump gets all the right votes in the right places to win the right states, but it's a less than one in ten chance I'd say.

The polls on both sides of the Atlantic have been rubbish forever. This is still too close either way...will the bookies pay out on a 0-0?

 

[Prevenger17]

That's fair, although this election would be one of the most one sided in history if the Dems had picked a better candidate.

It wouldn't. This is what a one sided election looks like and I'm not sure any alternative candidate would be polling better than Biden at this stage save for Michelle or Barack Obama. In the same way that people are going out to vote against Trump, there is a huge swathe of immovable voters who go out and vote against Democrats. Every time. Republicans could put up Hitler and the Democrats could put up the reincarnation of Jesus Christ and those red states would still be red. If the elections were run on a popular vote, the Democrats would steamroll them every time, but they aren't, and winning an election in the US is no easy thing no matter who the candidates are.

 

[TN Toffee]

It wouldn't. This is what a one sided election looks like and I'm not sure any alternative candidate would be polling better than Biden at this stage save for Michelle or Barack Obama. In the same way that people are going out to vote against Trump, there is a huge swathe of immovable voters who go out and vote against Democrats. Every time. Republicans could put up Hitler and the Democrats could put up the reincarnation of Jesus Christ and those red states would still be red. If the elections were run on a popular vote, the Democrats would steamroll them every time, but they aren't, and winning an election in the US is no easy thing no matter who the candidates are.

There have been a couple of elections in the past 50 years that were true landslides and the winner got all but about 15 electoral votes. Even then, the popular vote was roughly a 60/40 split.

 

[brieverton]

Hard to see Trump winning all of the "blue" states he turned red in 2016.

And plausible to see Biden winning one or two "red" states.

The increase in turnout just seems ominous for Trump IMHO, hopefully its the silent majority determined to have their say this time.

 

[tsubaki]

Current rules on university education are completely fair and if what you are saying was true, then I'd never have been able to go.

You only pay back when you earn a decent salary - that's fair.

Why should the taxpayer fund it for us? Surely those who actually go should pay, and those who don't go shouldn't?

There also still are grants for those less well off. But yes most get loans, which mostly end up written off down the line anyway.

This is basically a belief system of yours at this point, isn’t it?

 

[ToffeeTim]

This is basically a belief system of yours at this point, isn’t it?

Absolutely, I belief it's fair.

I disagree entirely that my parents who did not go to university, should pay through their taxes for me who did.