The 2 years since Martinez left.

[davek]

I'm interested to know who you think performed better as manager in the league. Martinez in 14/15 or 15/16, or Allardyce this season?

Would you concede that Martinez was so bad that he has been outperformed by a manager whose primary attribute is to keep teams up and make them hard to beat? One who didn't have a 20+ goal a season striker available to him like Martinez did?

Allardyce hasn't and wont have been here a season. How am I supposed to compare seasons?

 

[Brisan123]

Allardyce hasn't and wont have been here a season. How am I supposed to compare seasons?

Dodging the question Dave

 

[davek]

You laugh but the facts bare this out. With only one more win we we'll have as good a league win ratio as Martinez managed in 14-15 and a better one then he did in 15-16. Along with a better league position then he managed on both occasions. BFS is a clown who isn't anywhere near good enough for this club but at least he isn't a fraud sacrificing the general wellbeing of this club for his own vanity project and sense of self indulgence like El Fraudo did.

Tell me, which manager had the beneifit of £300M pumped into the squad?

No, I'm with Tim Cahill and Thierry Henry on this: fans like you were always going to be too impatient to roll out a possession based game. God help the next manager we have in through the doors wanting to play football on the deck when they have to come up against the Moyes spoon-fed agricultural football loving mob.

 

[davek]

Dodging the question Dave

Is it? Tell me when Allardyce completes 38 games in a season for us and then we can talk about comparisons.

 

[Zatara]

The Allardyce haters haven't stopped mentioning the 2 draws to West Brom who are getting relegated. In 14-15 Martinez got us a draw at home against Hull, and lost away. They went down.

Martinez got 29 points from the final 24 games in 14-15.
He got us 24 points in his final 24 games in 15-16 before he was sacked

Allardyce has got us 27 points from the 20 he's been in charge so i'd say Martinez was worse in those 2 seasons, especially as Martinez had inherited a team full of confidence the season before and had just finished 5th in 13-14. Allardyce came in to a mess and will most likely beat the 29 points Martinez got from in the same period Allardyce will have been in charge.

Allardyce is not the right man for next season but he's still a step up from Martinez in 14-15 and 15-16..

100% this. Allardyce has obvious limitations and is no were near good enough to be our manager but at least we'd never go down with him here. Martinez would of relegated had he been given another season.

You laugh but the facts bare this out. With only one more win we we'll have as good a league win ratio as Martinez managed in 14-15 and a better one then he did in 15-16. Along with a better league position then he managed on both occasions. BFS is a clown who isn't anywhere near good enough for this club but at least he isn't a fraud sacrificing the general wellbeing of this club for his own vanity project and sense of self indulgence like El Fraudo did.

I'm interested to know who you think performed better as manager in the league. Martinez in 14/15 or 15/16, or Allardyce this season?

Would you concede that Martinez was so bad that he has been outperformed by a manager whose primary attribute is to keep teams up and make them hard to beat? One who didn't have a 20+ goal a season striker available to him like Martinez did?

Martinez didn't have 200mil++ worth of new players...he had only Lukaku in the same stratosphere of spending

MCGeady wasn't free and Alcaraz cost us a place in the Europa league QF
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With our current lot playing we wouldn't even get to the Europa lol

McGeady was as close to free as you can get...250k as they wanted shut of him and his contract was about to elapse.

I'm no fan of either...but id rather have McGeady and Alcaraz as squad players than Williams and Bolasie...

Wages and transfer fees could be used on better players.

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[Gwladysstreetlad]

Tell me, which manager had the beneifit of £300M pumped into the squad?

No, I'm with Tim Cahill and Thierry Henry on this: fans like you were always going to be too impatient to roll out a possession based game. God help the next manager we have in through the doors wanting to play football on the deck when they have to come up against the Moyes spoon-fed agricultural football loving mob.

He had three years of building and left us in a way worse position then when he started. THE END.

Martinez was given time and patience by the fans. It's not like on here when we turn on the manager after one bad game. Martinez had most of the match going fans support for way longer then he derserved.

Martinez was given time by everyone at the club and failed. I'd of preferred it to work out for him because it meant us winning but it didn't. I'd sooner play that style but also have a manager with enough common sense and flexibility to try other means when needs be. I'd also like a manager who let's the side practice defending every now and then.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Tell me, which manager had the beneifit of £300M pumped into the squad?

No, I'm with Tim Cahill and Thierry Henry on this: fans like you were always going to be too impatient to roll out a possession based game. God help the next manager we have in through the doors wanting to play football on the deck when they have to come up against the Moyes spoon-fed agricultural football loving mob.

It was all very well playing possession-based football in our own half up to the half-way line and just beyond, at a rather pedestrian speed. Top teams do that also. The problem with brown shoes was that we continued at that pedestrian pace into the final third, when speed was of the essence (top teams then move up through the gears rapidly). So teams set up to contain a slow moving Everton, and succeeded more often than not. Or were you watching something totally different??? Your idea of a possession-based game under brown shoes would have got us relegated...

 

[davek]

It was all very well playing possession-based football in our own half up to the half-way line and just beyond, at a rather pedestrian speed. Top teams do that also. The problem with brown shoes was that we continued at that pedestrian pace into the final third, when speed was of the essence (top teams then move up through the gears rapidly). So teams set up to contain a slow moving Everton, and succeeded more often than not. Or were you watching something totally different??? Your idea of a possession-based game under brown shoes would have got us relegated...

That was the way it went many times in home games when teams came to spoil. We played half our games away from home! Maybe you were the one watching another team if you missed the way we were able to break at pace and exploit space on countless occasions when allowed to?

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Martinez didn't have 200mil++ worth of new players...he had only Lukaku in the same stratosphere of spending

No mate. He just had three years with zero pressure from the top to build a side and he left us in a far worse state then he found us in when he joined the club.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE FRAUD

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

That was the way it went many times in home games when teams came to spoil. We played half our games away from home! Maybe you were the one watching another team if you missed the way we were able to break at pace and exploit space on countless occasions when allowed to?

Ah here we go with the "great away form" myth. In 14-15 with won an appallingly bad seven games at Goodison and even less with only five on the road. In 15-16 we won just six (SIX!) Home games (the last of which was under Rhino) and six on the road. These are a shockingly bad return no matter what spin you put on them.

 

[Papa Shango]

WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE FRAUD

Which one?

I hate the term fraud coming into the lexicon of football. It seems to be used for everything and everybody these days.

 

[Goodison Groaner]

This is a stupid argument... like asking which eye you would rather have poked out!
The truth is neither Roberto or Sam was or is good enough for our great club. The first deserved to be sacked when he was, if not sooner, and the other will hopefully suffer the same fate sooner or later. Lets move on!

 

[TraffordBlue]

Martinez didn't have 200mil++ worth of new players...he had only Lukaku in the same stratosphere of spending

Unless i've misunderstood your point, you're arguing that the fee of a player is more important than their actual ability? So for example Klaassen at close to £25m means that he gives Allardyce a better chance of performing than say the £5-6m we paid Spurs for Pienaar that Martinez inherited? I use Pienaar as an example as he's a midfielder. Martinez inherited some of our best players in the last 15-20 years, and 4 years ago they were far superior to their levels now - Jagielka, Baines etc.

The £200m++ worth of new players can't be used as a stick to beat Allardyce with. He didn't sign those players other than Tosun and Walcott who have both been good signings and the fees were vastly overpriced due to an inflated transfer market.

Martinez made one of the best signings of the last 20+ years (credit to him for that), and wasted his value to the team for 2 seasons running.

 

[Papa Shango]

No mate. He just had three years with zero pressure from the top to build a side and he left us in a far worse state then he found us in when he joined the club.

But I thought it was our best squad ever or something?