Just imagine us wading into this without going through parliament first though.
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I'm very conflicted on this. Half of me wonders if we're even getting a fraction of the full story or that this is yet another distraction from what's going on in the US. The other half of me says Putin is taking the piss here and likes to see how much he can swing his mickey in full view of the US and Europe
magicjuan
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Think there are degrees of both. We are told what 'they' want us to know. As much as I detest the theatre of parliament there has to be opinions discussed, on the record, of what is known. Without that no one can be called to account. We can't do it with either Trump or Putin but we can to a limited extent do it at home.
It's the duplicitous morality all around that is the biggest issue for me, we don't know who our opponents really are, such is the mutual facilitating of each other's stance.
My enemy's enemy etc doesn't fit here. We have been complicit in many ways to the deaths of thousands, but some deaths are more relative it seems when it suits a political agenda and profiteering.
The Grand Chessboard as Brzezinski played it...
The political backdrop to this 'war' is so confusing. Why can't it be like the early 40's, at least back then everyone knew who the 'goodies' and the 'baddies' were
magicjuan
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#NotInMyNameTheresaMay
Jamo Martinez
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Definitely relevant to mention Iraq when the same people who lied about that are feeding us this 'information and advocating war . UN sources are suggesting it may actually have been the rebels who used the gas. Another good question is, why when Assad is apparently on the verge of victory, would he decide to provoke international outrage and the probability of more western intervention
Yes, but again, just because something was wrong once doesn't mean we should be hamstrung by it and never act again. Yes, have due caution, but my concern is people will flat out refuse to act no matter what now because people by and large have forgotten how to analyse a situation and adjust their stance. Everyone digs themselves in and sticks to a viewpoint no matter what. That's the world we live in, especially on social media.
As for the reason he did it, there's a few. It could have been his forces simply doing what they do and not considering political stances - they've used chemical weapons before. Or Assad could have calculated a chemical weapon now would firm up Russian support for their existing allies due to the consternation of the international community, which would benefit Assad. And so on. But none of that really matters - when you get the Russians saying the chemical 'attack' was a stockpile exploding as a result of a 'normal' attack, then alarm bells ring because it simply doesn't make sense. It's a case of Occam's Razor - the most obvious answer is usually the correct one.
All that said, I really would prefer this to go to a parliamentary vote before strikes commence.
To hell with parliament, it's a new era. May needs to rev up her Twitter account and hit them with a "LOOK OUT RUSSIA!"
tsubaki
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Because to use gas and there be no response (or no effective response) shows to his enemies that they are alone, that the US isn't going to ride to the rescue and so it is better to give up now rather than fight to the death.
It also reminds his enemies that his allies are a lot more steadfast than theirs are - which is true, as we have all seen by the way the SDF has been so shamefully abandoned now that they have done what we asked them to do and nearly got rid of IS.
Do not get involved, do not get involved, do not get involved, do not get involved, do not get involved.
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