Current Affairs Syria...

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peteblue

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Looks like the USA is going to bomb Assad again for the use of chemical weapons. Russia is threatening to shoot down missiles and attack the missile platforms. I think the USA will ignore this threat and do it anyway.......


Edit...sorry only just noticed it being covered in the Trump thread......
 
Trump is right on this, as much as it pains me to say it.

You can only appease so much. You have to act when needed. Constantly saying "oh but wot abut IRAQ LOL" on Twitter isn't dealing with the problem; it's avoiding it.
 
Trump is right on this, as much as it pains me to say it.

You can only appease so much. You have to act when needed. Constantly saying "oh but wot abut IRAQ LOL" on Twitter isn't dealing with the problem; it's so avoiding it.

Are Assad getting removed from power? Is that the plan?

I trust you know the specific intricacies and social structures of this region before advocating a bombing campaign.
 
Trump is right on this, as much as it pains me to say it.

You can only appease so much. You have to act when needed. Constantly saying "oh but wot abut IRAQ LOL" on Twitter isn't dealing with the problem; it's avoiding it.

I think Libya is a more appropriate comparison, got ourselves involved in bombing without a plan and now I’m not even sure it has a functioning nationwide government does it ?

Are Assad getting removed from power? Is that the plan?

I trust you know the specific intricacies and social structures of this region before advocating a bombing campaign.

That’s the issue we’ve simply got no coherent strategy and less be honest it’s a mess. we oppose Assad but we obviously oppose ISIS (ISIL) who he and the Russians have proved the only ones effective at combating . we kind of support the FSA but not the criminal gangs that have fell out of it and much of the FSA will fight alongside people we don’t support . Do we support the YPG, I think so but the Turks including special forces are fighting against them , sometimes with the FSA , and the Turks are in NATO right ? Then again the French are threatening to support the Kurds and even use French troops to protect them from the Turks , so whose side are we on then ? Do we support Al-sham or Al-Islam ? Because they’re sort of Islamic militants but they were formed by members of the FSA and we supported them and they sometimes fight ISIL . I know sometimes Al-sham fights alongside those the US fund but sometimes the United States bomb them so that’s a puzzler .

You can see why becoming involved is a difficult decision . If we were facing a dictator who is bombing his civilian population and it’s clear of our part and what our intentions are I would perhaps see the sense . I’m deeply uncomfortable sitting on my hands and watching a population murdered indiscriminately and I’m certainly not a pacifist although I do struggle with why killing them with chemicals is so much more abhorrent than using other methods . I’m just loath to see this country involved in another military action without a plan , if there was a plan I’d feel significantly better but I honestly have little faith that there is.
 
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Are Assad getting removed from power? Is that the plan?

I trust you know the specific intricacies and social structures of this region before advocating a bombing campaign.

I feel doing something about babies being gassed to death is better than doing nothing about babies getting gassed to death.

But maybe I'm just old fashioned.
 
I feel doing something about babies being gassed to death is better than doing nothing about babies getting gassed to death.

But maybe I'm just old fashioned.

I think that’s a completely reasonable response mate . So what do we do ,Who do we bomb ? Do We disable all of Assad’s aircraft so handing the initiative to ISIL or do we try to kill Assad or his people and leave a vacuum? Or just a little bit of strategic bombing to make a point , because does that really help ? Do you only oppose gassing of babies because according to UNICEF over a thousand children were killed or injured in the first two months of this year in Syria . I want to do something as well but I can’t help but think doing something without planning or thinking it out can on occasion be worse than doing nothing .

That’s the problem with Syria and often with the Middle East as a whole the place , positions are just shifting . It’s a horrendous situation and one I certainly feel conflicted about .
 
So what are we going to do then? Bomb people? What about all the other injustices in the world? Why don’t we bomb Myanmar etc etc?

"We should do something about this" is basically as far as the interventionist crowd goes, there isn't usually a plan as to what happens after that and there certainly isn't any kind of global standard as to what is and what is not acceptable (take Syria for example - Assad using 500lb bombs to level Gouta is fine, but using chemical weapons is beyond the pale).
 
Considering that Obama told the world to stand by and await the USA and it's allies response after the last episode, and not one bomb was dropped in anger if I'm correct, Trump will definitely ensure that there is some visible response.
Then think back to Trump's attack on the Syria airbase after another atrocity when he almost phoned Assad and Putin, told them what was coming and when.
All showcasing with a potentially catastrophic outcome.
 
"We should do something about this" is basically as far as the interventionist crowd goes, there isn't usually a plan as to what happens after that and there certainly isn't any kind of global standard as to what is and what is not acceptable (take Syria for example - Assad using 500lb bombs to level Gouta is fine, but using chemical weapons is beyond the pale).
Well, to be fair, that is where countries have to move beyond sentiment to plans and action. It's easy for us all to say "this shouldn't happen", but determining what to do when to whom is the challenge - will anything we do actually get us the desired outcome (and what is that?), or at least move us in that direction?

@Harryflashman gave a nice illustration of the cross-currents in this region. Makes a trade war look simple.
 
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