Whilst we’re wanting to defend children and not allow them to be murdered , which I think everyone would agree with , maybe we should ask our allies the Saudi’s to stop doing their Yemeni coalition doing it . A UN Report has them killing 68 children in the last 8 months or so . So are the Saudi’s next to be bombed ? I’d consider it unlikely .
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You’re initial quote stated that trump was right that we should bomb people now and suggested that anyone who said otherwise was sitting on their hands and was not concerned with babies getting gassed. Which by the way was a disgusting comment to make
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An MP yesterday asked the question as to who's side to take in the Syria conflict.
Do you take the side of a monster or that of maniacs?
The fact we are asked to take sides at all is bizarre.
Do you take the side of a monster or that of maniacs?
The fact we are asked to take sides at all is bizarre.
It certainly would be if that's what I said.
Here's the actual quote.
So yeah, none of that "not concerned with babies being gassed" accusation eh? Probably because I wouldn't say that.
Tit.
The problem with the analogies you’ve used is That they don’t accurately illustrate the mess that is Syria . For example at the time we weren’t also facing domestic terrorist attacks from communists allied to the Republicans but also half of the republicans weren’t fighting against each other, some funded by the US and others by say France . Then we didn’t have a casual alliance with the Carlists and weren’t doing joint operations with falangists who were attaching those communists republicans above who we opposed.
If it was a simple case of a dictator in power using chemical weapons against his people in a country without a host of shifting alliances , the decision might be a little easier.
Come on mate that is the underlying message of this below surely ?
Unless I’ve misread it .
So, it seems everyone agrees "something" should be done. The challenge is, as others have articulated, is WHAT should be done. Atrocities like this occur throughout the world at varying intervals - but let's be clear, for each intervention, there's some sort of trigger in terms of amount of killing, method of killing and identity of the killers that have to be met before we'll act. Because of this, there's just no way to set a rule in place for countries to act.
"At X deaths, we do Y, at X+1000 deaths, we do Z, but only if it's an unfriendly dictator doing it."
"At X deaths, we do Y, at X+1000 deaths, we do Z, but only if it's an unfriendly dictator doing it."
You've misread it.
I am not saying those who are for appeasement and/or inaction are not concerned with babies dying - because I'm not a lunatic and I understand that they have a different approach to dealing with the situation; not a lack of empathy towards it.
However, I disagree with the approach.
How anyone can equate me disagree with an approach to "if you don't agree with me you're proper happy babies are dead in Syria" is bonkers.
Or, in a nutshell, this ^
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It would be a lot simpler just to apologise
Ah ok mate I’m with you . To be fair though it does look like others have misread or misunderstood it . Or perhaps rather not fully grasped its context
It certainly would be - would you like to apologise for the accusation that I think people are happy babies are dead in Syria if they advocate inaction? For the reasons stated above that didn't really need to be explained because if you had a functioning brain you wouldn't have thought I'd said that in the first place?
I'm waiting.
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Indeed. And by by whom.
Trouble is here is that no side, (if we take the easy Russia/US West division), have clean hands, ergo, no real moral high ground in the area. Or at a least moral high ground that cant be dismantled by the other side.
I studied the ME "crisis" for History A Level, many years ago. It was labelled the Arab Israeli issue back then, but to this young VI Former back then, it looked an absolute mess and unsolvable. Not much has changed, other than the names of the participants since.
Sound. Make a disgusting allegation, provably wrong and won't put your hands up about it. Says a lot about you.
I'll repeat - tit.
I’d say it’s become more layered , more complex which you’d have thought at the time wasn’t possible . The loss of ‘strongman’ before/during/after the Arab spring was hailed as the spread of democracy but even if you wanted to be optimistic you’d struggle to weigh good against bad . As a supporter of democracy , like much of the Middle East , you find yourself in a quandary .
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