Succession Planning - Managerial Wishlist

riddick said:
We could have done that this year if Moyes took any of the chances brought his way. We know him by now. It's been, what, 14 years of nothing with him? Why persist with something you know isn't going to do anything. This idea of "let's give him another year so he can try for Europe" when he's failed to get a VERY attainable continental position this year is just mind boggling. I've been supporting Everton for 25 years and I've seen the square sum of FA. He's been manager for almost 2/3 of that time I've been watching.

I'd KILL for a manager who wants and gets us to play good football. Best I've seen is Martinez first season. But then HE decided possession based boring tikitaka is the way forward. Koeman was crap, Silva was crap.
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I get it mate I really do but the club off the pitch and on the pitch need stability more than ever. People don’t like it but it’s the truth and the reality of it.

The club needs to find its feet again and changing the manager at the minute isn’t the way forward long term.

If and it’s a big if, but tomorrow if we win, we go to 51 points and potentially 7th in the league. If we end the season inside the top 8 or 10, top section of the league, it’s progress. The club needs to be able to crawl first before it can walk, run and sprint to get further. The is a reason why they are focused on getting the right off the pitch. You get it right off the pitch, on the pitch, you’ll start seeing real progress.

You’re saying you want good football, it’s about winning. The best we’ve finished in the league is 8th in the past 10 years, which was under allardyce. The football was terrible. Go and ask Arsenal fans, if the football they watch is great? Are they bothered no, cos they are likely to win the league and in the champions league final playing some boring and dreadful stuff. If Arteta was English, they’d be saying his football is no different than Dyche, Allardyce or Pulis.
 
I wouldn't even interview somebody who doesn't have a trophy of some significance on his CV from one of the top five leagues or continental competition. Even Moyes - who we would be trying to upgrade - has that. We're not a youth development program. This would eliminate many of the more outlandish hipstery options out there. I don't want some vegan-friendly Bundesliga coach unless he has won a German cup or Euro pot. It's also why I'd prefer a Glasner over an Iraola. The Cypriot Super Cup isn't cutting it for me...
 
The club could also do worse than follow the old Brian Clough/Peter Taylor approach and consider somebody who was once very highly-rated indeed and who might be open to a new start somewhere else. Obviously a long shot, but there's a lot of talk of Diego Simeone coming to the end of his tether at Atletico Madrid. While he will have options should he leave, why not dangle an interesting "project" in front of him and get him to say "no" before trying elsewhere? He won't be quite top of the wishlists of the super clubs who may deem him passe or his style of football unsuitable. I could see him doing a job at a Chelsea, but he's always struck me as somebody more comfortable in a very traditional, working-class environment with a bit of a chip on its shoulder. There are not too many clubs of stature like that out there and fewer who would entertain his modus operandi or fractiousness. I couldn't see "Sir Jim" countenancing him, for example. Knowing our luck he'll end up at Roma...
 
Drico said:
The club could also do worse than follow the old Brian Clough/Peter Taylor approach and consider somebody who was once very highly-rated indeed and who might be open to a new start somewhere else. Obviously a long shot, but there's a lot of talk of Diego Simeone coming to the end of his tether at Atletico Madrid. While he will have options should he leave, why not dangle an interesting "project" in front of him and get him to say "no" before trying elsewhere? He won't be quite top of the wishlists of the super clubs who may deem him passe or his style of football unsuitable. I could see him doing a job at a Chelsea, but he's always struck me as somebody more comfortable in a very traditional, working-class environment with a bit of a chip on its shoulder. There are not too many clubs of stature like that out there and fewer who would entertain his modus operandi or fractiousness. I couldn't see "Sir Jim" countenancing him, for example. Knowing our luck he'll end up at Roma...
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Diego Simeone would not join Everton mate. He’s on about 18million euros a season. He’d attract better players but our fans are bored of the football Moyes play, they’d be bored of the football he plays and would want him out after a season.
 
widnesblue said:
Diego Simeone would not join Everton mate. He’s on about 18million euros a season. He’d attract better players but our fans are bored of the football Moyes play, they’d be bored of the football he plays and would want him out after a season.
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He may very well not join us. In fact, he probably wouldn't. But an ambitious club has an obligation to know that for sure. The difference between those who are ambitious and those who aren't is imagination. The idea of attracting somebody of Simeone's ilk is far too imaginative for some. They must have fallen off their commodes when we signed Ancelotti...

Pay enough money and you widen your choice - and your imagination.
 
Drico said:
I wouldn't even interview somebody who doesn't have a trophy of some significance on his CV from one of the top five leagues or continental competition. Even Moyes - who we would be trying to upgrade - has that. We're not a youth development program. This would eliminate many of the more outlandish hipstery options out there. I don't want some vegan-friendly Bundesliga coach unless he has won a German cup or Euro pot. It's also why I'd prefer a Glasner over an Iraola. The Cypriot Super Cup isn't cutting it for me...
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We need a winning mentality everywhere in the club, from the owners, the board, managers, players and fan base. 100% you’d take Glasner over Iraola.

Iraola is just the latest flavour of the month. Last weekend he won his first home game since January 24th. His team
Is set up for counter attacking football and he wouldn’t have the players to do that at Everton. We’ve got no pace in our current squad that would cause great threat. It would take a lot of money and recruitment to get Iraola a team he’d be comfortable with. The is a reason why he’ll likely go to Palace, cos they’ve got the squad that would suit his style more than Everton at the minute.
 
Drico said:
He may very well not join us. In fact, he probably wouldn't. But an ambitious club has an obligation to know that for sure. The difference between those who are ambitious and those who aren't is imagination. The idea of attracting somebody of Simeone's ilk is far too imaginative for some. They must have fallen off their comodes when we signed Ancelotti...

Pay enough money and you widen your choice - and your imagination.
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Totally agree. He’s a great manager but his football is terrible on the eye. Our fans wouldn’t be happy with it at all.
 
widnesblue said:
We need a winning mentality everywhere in the club, from the owners, the board, managers, players and fan base. 100% you’d take Glasner over Iraola.

Iraola is just the latest flavour of the month. Last weekend he won his first home game since January 24th. His team
Is set up for counter attacking football and he wouldn’t have the players to do that at Everton. We’ve got no pace in our current squad that would cause great threat. It would take a lot of money and recruitment to get Iraola a team he’d be comfortable with. The is a reason why he’ll likely go to Palace, cos they’ve got the squad that would suit his style more than Everton at the minute.
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I think we're going to need to accept that few managers will do all that much with our current squad. We're going to need to seriously invest and upgrade. Then it's about whether you want Moyes overseeing that or somebody more progressive.
 
widnesblue said:
Totally agree. He’s a great manager but his football is terrible on the eye. Our fans wouldn’t be happy with it at all.
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To be honest, if he was winning derbies and pushing us into the Champions League places with hard-fought 1-0 wins, many of us would be more than delighted. After all, we loved Moyes in 2004-05.

But back in the real world (a boy can dream), I want the club laughed out of meetings with managerial agents this summer or when we look to make a new appointment. If that's happening, we're knocking on the right doors. One will eventually open...
 
Drico said:
I think we're going to need to accept that few managers will do all that much with our current squad. We're going to need to seriously invest and upgrade. Then it's about whether you want Moyes overseeing that or somebody more progressive.
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More progressive for me personally. I’d love us to go get Sebastian Hoenes and let him build his team. What he’s done at Stuttgart is brilliant and the football they play is great on the eye. He’s got a winning mentality too. Won the Pokal cup last season currently got them 6th in Bundesliga. He done a decent job at Hoffenheim too and got them on the up as a club. Pretty sure he was at Bayern as a coach and in charge of there second team who won the 3rd division.
 

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